https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2135509

this is practically a child’s view of the world. good guy vs bad guy. Russia = bad, NATO = good. plus, someone should tell her she has it completely backwards: ending russia is kinda natos entire thing

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    6·
    11 months ago

    This is an absolute godsend for arms companies. This isn’t hurting NATO, this is lining the pockets of military industrial sectors worldwide.

    When I say NATO I’m naively including Europe and not simply the United States, US arms companies are indeed making dough and the Euro regimes may even be willing to print out the big bucks for the American MIC, but those countries also have native defense industries that make up a sizable chunk of their national manufacturing sectors, and I’m telling you right now bro there is no way the cheapskate ordoliberals of Europe are gonna pay for two continent wide modernization programs, it’s either the Americans or their own local arms companies and the Americans are gonna win out

    but warn that at least in the east, people are willing to absorb a lot of financial pain if it means punching the Russian empire in the face Western Europe may be forced, kicking and screaming, to follow suit for fear of fracturing Europe.

    Translation; the neoliberal regimes of Europe are willing to sacrifice the livelihoods of their citizens to further the ambitions of an American dominated NATO and sow the seeds of future war and the inevitable blowback it entails

    • Barbariandude [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      4·
      11 months ago

      It’s not only the US industry ramping up. Companies across Europe are expanding existing ammo factories and making new ones. With the blank cheque that Ukraine has been given by the US, they’re not doing this for free.

      You can cynically look at this as “sacrificing the livelihoods of citizens”, and I’m not going to stop you if you want to see it that way, but in some specific countries, any sign of weakness towards Russia by a politician would cause that politician to be thrown out. If not by vote of no confidence, then by mob.

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        You’re contradicting yourself because you’re not being specific, it’s not “companies across europe” it’s the native defense industries of only a few countries, Germany, France, UK and maybe Italy none are which the insane eastern states that would lynch a politican for negotiating with russia

        The rest would blow a hole in their budget if they attempted to expand local industrial production of weapons beyond a certain point

        And the big countries don’t want to expand cause that will also blow a hole in their budget, Europe is ruled by Americanized ordoliberals, the cratering of millions of their citizen’s livelihoods didn’t stop them from cutting the state and a proxy war in Ukraine isn’t gonna stop them either

        They’ll waste money on expensive overenineered American garbage and then call it a day and the Eastern states can go back to the Soviet Union to replenish their stock- oh wait no they can’t they’ll also have to buy trash Anerican weapon systems