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Proton are very transparent about what data is and isn’t stored, how data is protected and what (very limited) data may be available in the event of a legal warrant - going through all the proper channels.
Complying with legal warrants doesnt make the service insecure or not private. It makes it a legal and legitimate company.
It shouldn’t really be a surprise to any of it’s users.
Some people have the idea that a private business is going to break the law or defy their governments requests for them. That’s completely deluded, nobody would ever open willingly expose themself to that kind of risk. No organization is going to let themselves go on trial for $15/month. It seems we have a binary idea of privacy, when the reality is much more complex.
It’s the “if you’re not with us, then you’re against us” mentality.
Huh, I guess these people haven’t been roaming the real world for a long time, they get their ideas from television shows and movies.
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Even if your messages are encrypted, you still leak a lot of data (aka metadata)
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The best take on here. The reasonable one that still highlights how much better it is compared to other mainstream services
Remember that time I think it was Signal got a warrant for all data they had on a user and literally all the data they had was account name, creation date, and last login date? That was funny.
Well, in the US, FISA warrants are technically legal, too.
From the article (emphasis is mine): Is Proton Mail still secure and private? … In short, the answer is yes if you are looking for a secure, encrypted email service that does not have access to the contents of your inbox. After all, ProtonMail is far better than Gmail or Yahoo when it comes to privacy.
If you are doing things to attract the attention of law enforcement, then the data you provide when you use ProtonMail, such as IP address and recovery email, may be shared with authorities if Proton Technologies is legally compelled to do so in Swiss court.
My only gripe is that it locks you in.
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That second part. The ‘e’ in email stands for evidence.
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Never forget every email that leaves Protonmail to other email providors are not anymore secure or encrypted as using gmail or others.
Second no one can certify that incoming emails and meta-data can’t be read and recorded to a ghost mailbox before getting encrypted. you have no control on what happens on their servers
privacy shouldn’t rely on trust
It’s really difficult if not impossible to be private with services you can’t trust… suppose you were to not trust Tor. How can you prove it to be private if you can’t trust anything they say or share? I think it’s almost impossible, isn’t it?
You’re going to have to put trust somewhere if you want to be private, whether it’s your device’s hardware, software, ISP or other…
I don’t think that Tor relies entirely on trust. it rather relies on the probability that there needs to be at least half of entry and exit nodes compromised for a attacker to be able to deanonymize users trying to access the clearnet. the hidden network is even harder to deanonymize as there are more than 6 hops in the path. and all nodes participating in the network are visible.
proton on the other hand can do what ever they please on their servers and can never get caught with it.
I don’t disagree with you. But if you start with the assumption that a service cannot be trusted, it’s really difficult, maybe even impossible that despite it, privacy is safe. That’s a different claim. Especially as this claim would have to hold across the whole end to end. I can’t see how one can imagine having any privacy in such a scenario.
Only private if you use gpg… But you still leak metadata
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In other news, water is wet.
