The instance is currently federated with every instance (including places like lemmygrad and explodingheads) as the current stance is defederation should be a last resort with users being able to choose what they want to see instead
Exploding heads has some very questionable content though so its status is currently being discussed by the admins
I wish there were a way to block entire instances per user.
It is an option in Sync for Lemmy at least.
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This is actively being discussed too
Yeah it should be a per user decision…
Server runners should be able to make their own decisions too.
this is not mutually exclusive
In some respect, it is. For example, users don’t get to decide that they want to see defederated content without creating a new account somewhere else.
Sorry if that was obvious and pedantic to say.
This would make my life so much easier
I understand the reasoning but I think it’s not the same situation as lemmygrad, which I feel is a normal instance with an ideological bent. Exploding heads is just violent propaganda. I hope you defederate.
What about hexbear? Is programming.dev federated with them? Or are they intentionally defederated with everyone?
hexbear split off and has been running their own fork for awhile separate from the rest of lemmy (so they couldnt federate with lemmy instances). They are coming back now though so lemmy instances will start to be able to interact with them soon
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Ah yeah just checked and looks like I see can see their communites, didnt realize they already joined in. So yes we are federated with them atm, just if a community hasnt been subscribed to yet by anyone the posts from it wont show up in the feeds
I can enter a community but I can’t see any posts. For example: https://programming.dev/c/indigenous@hexbear.net
Weird, what might be happening is posts from before they were federated dont show up but ones after are. Theres posts in !chapotraphouse@hexbear.net
I think it might be due to discoverability? I remember reading something about that. If no one in this instance is subscribed to an external community, the server doesn’t load their posts, or something like that.
Edit: OH what a dummy, you just said that lol.
Thanks for the info.
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Their interactions in threads were unpleasant, and a small group of them were persistently provoking lemmyworld users.
If you search exploding-heads you might come across some examples, if they haven’t been nuked from that instance.
Aside from that, I find Hexbear users really pleasant, and I’ve never seen a lemmygrad user provoke anyone 🤷♂️
While I’m personally bias (see right above), from my experience the general content in alt right spaces (I’ve been on wolfballs, idk about exploding heads tho) is a bit more unhinged than general content on Marxist/left unity spaces. I mean we MLs agree with the “vaguely leftist” person more than a alt right person.
I personally like to try meeting people where they are and don’t block as long as the content isn’t harmful. And imho a random person on the internet saying a 19th century philosopher was right is not that harmful, especially compared to people down the alt right rabbit hole (yes I’m oversimplifing).
FWIW, I (single user instance) defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad, but not exploding heads. Not because I think nazis are better than authoritarian fascists, but because hexbear and lemmygrad users are everywhere, while the nazis never seem to comment on anything.
I am not a fan of reaching for defederation often; I actually came here from beehaw because I felt like they just pulled that trigger too fast and too frequently.
However, I do think that we should defederate from exploding-heads and hexbear. I don’t go looking for chances to be offended, but I do notice that when I see something truly distasteful on All it is almost exclusively from one of those two lately, and at this point removing them from All would make my lemmy experience just a bit more friendly.
It’s not even worth reporting content about them because when you do it seems like a common theme is that they just tag you so they can harass you. I tested this myself recently by reporting obvious misinformation/propaganda and the next time I logged in there were indeed items waiting in my inbox calling me a coward, etc.
Edit: fun fact, even if you block a user, and you block the community they are posting from, any time they mention you in a post you still get a message in your inbox, which seems like a pretty ridiculous oversight and a tool for harassment.
For those not aware of any drama, could you spill the beans?
Here’s the front page of exploding-heads.com. It has a picture of a trans person hanging themselves with slurs I censored with an emoji since it’s probably against the rules to post here
They are not left wing, mainly.
A particular flavour of right wing though. One that goes out of it’s way to say the most aboherent shit on people that are not like them.
In France we’ve got laws to regulate this type of speech. Say that AIDS is god’s punishment to the homosexuals -> get a fine (or if it’s the twentieth time you do it, go to jail).
I don’t find it shocking that people are banning content that some countries judge so problematic that they are ready to put people in jail for it.
No, it’s that they’re massive bigots that harass people
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Note if two instances are defederated from each other they can’t see each others posts & comments on some third instance
So if people from world and people from beehaw comment on a post here people in p.d can see them both but the beehaw users can’t see the world users (if you check this thread on beehaw theres some comments missing)
Due to this and the nature of this instance the people in different instances interacting with each other hasnt been a problem and its mainly the all feed. As you said people deciding whether they want to join the instance can’t curate their all feed while they lurk so having that not be shit is ideal (and reducing the amount of blocks people need to do)
I found an option when digging through the lemmy code yesterday that allows a community to be hidden so it doesn’t show in the all feed which might be the best thing to do currently. (It just can only be set from the backend and has no ui to set it for some reason ). Still allows users to interact here since that hasnt been a problem and still allows people to sub to those communities. Would have to be extended eventually to be able to cover entire instances and could make it a screen when somebody joins the instance of if they want to see things like politics, sports, etc. which could enable or disable different things to be hidden
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For anybody that stumbles upon this post, pushed out our decision on it and it was talked about in the august newsletter https://programming.dev/post/1671024
The exploding-heads communities that break our rules have been removed from the instance (and if you find any more in the future report a post that shows it breaking the rules and ill deal with it)
