• nogooduser@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    I imagine that when it was formed there were two options - allow permanent members or form without the most important members.

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      11 months ago

      This is it. How to do bring super powers to a group of nations and tell them they’ll have the same voice as tiny countries. Why would they bother showing up?

      The world has changed since then, though. I dont think it makes much sense anymore to have France and the UK as permanent members though. Even Russia has shown itself to be more of a minnow than we thought…

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        11 months ago

        Even Russia has shown itself to be more of a minnow than we thought…

        Russia is currently stalemated in a limited war against a substantial (but similarly limited) chunk of the NATO arsenal. As a point of comparison, in the last 20 years the U.S. has lost two wars against non-state actors where it used everything but nukes.

        The U.S. hasn’t fought a war like the Russian-Ukranian War since Vietnam or Korea, and the results there weren’t a lot better than what Russia is seeing now (despite the U.S. doing far more indiscriminate strategic bombing).