• SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      It might depend on what you mean by forced, but I meant it more as a hypothetical. the “my body, my choice” argument doesn’t logically differentiate between the two things.

      Explain in simple english want you meant by this, then.

      • joe@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        How much simpler can I get?

        “My body, my choice” is not a sound stance supporting abortion because

        1. it doesn’t only involve the pregnant person’s body; the entire conflict is because there is a zygote in the situation, as well
        2. it sets up a defense against requiring vaccinations as a mandate to interact with society. Unless you mean to say that it’s okay if a woman is given the ““choice”” if abortion while also giving them an excessive consequence for making that choice
        • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          If the zygote wants to speak up against it then it should be listened to.

          I saw groups of unvaccinated people legally hanging out throughout the COVID times, so can you elaborate on 'requiring vaccinations as a mandate to interact with society, please?

          • joe@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            If the zygote wants to speak up against it then it should be listened to.

            This is an absolutely terrifying stance to take. It implies that one’s ability to object is a requirement before the law or society should consider protections. Yikes

            so can you elaborate

            No. I already explained it was just a hypothetical to point out the lack of logical soundness for the “my body, my choice” rebuttal. I see no reason to continue to flesh out a high level hypothetical.

            • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              1 year ago

              Who do you think should be making decisions for the zygote then?

              Thanks for admitting that you made up the second point, that’ll make the rest of this conversation easier.

              • joe@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                You seem to be very befuddled. Do you not understand what a hypothetical situation is for, or how it works? Of course I made it up.

                Society often makes decisions for people who cannot be counted on to make their own. Like, child labor laws.

                Remember: My stance is that whether or not pregnant people should have a choice to have an abortion is a matter of debate, not an objective fact. I am already pro-choice.

                • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  How am I ‘very befuddled’? We are both in agreement that it’s a made up situation that you won’t elaborate on.

                  My stance is an abortion is between a woman and her doctor and it is not something that matters to anyone else so it’s a topic that doesn’t need to be debated.