• @nikifa@lemmy.ml
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    13 years ago

    Before there can be emancipation, they need peace.

    There is no peace without emancipation. Asymmetrical warfare, is still warfare.

    • @nikifa@lemmy.ml
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      13 years ago

      also if the only solution for Afghanistan you can think of is nationalism, or pan-nationalism you set the bar extremly low.

    • @nikifa@lemmy.ml
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      -33 years ago

      Before there can be emancipation, they need peace.

      What you’re saying is basically that women must surrender to have peace in Afghanistan. That is utterly disgusting.

        • @nikifa@lemmy.ml
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          03 years ago

          It is the logical conclusion of the strategy you propose, imho.

          “Before there can be emancipation, they need peace.”

          See: Taliban are at an asymmetrical warfare against women. Women can either fight for emaciation or surrender. Taking an opposing position towards an enemy that targets you by asymmetrical warfare is contrary to peace. You suggest that peace must come before emaciation. That can only mean, women should surrender to the Taliban.

          If you mean something else, please explain.

          • poVoq
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            13 years ago

            You seem to think that “fighting for emancipation” is somehow the same as actual war, you know the one with automatic weapons, tanks and air-bombardments?

            Sure, you can fight for emancipation during a war, but to reach emancipation you first need peace. A just and equitable society is simply impossible under war conditions.

            • @ancom@lemmy.ml
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              -13 years ago

              Every women that picked up a gun to defend themselves and to defend their sisters is a counter argument to your “women rights after the revolution”

              • poVoq
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                23 years ago

                What about “you can fight for emancipation during a war” do you not understand?

                Why do you always assume some hidden anti-emancipatory agenda? I never said nor implied “women rights after the revolution”.

                • @ancom@lemmy.ml
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                  03 years ago

                  What about “you can fight for emancipation during a war” do you not understand?

                  Your are taking those words out of context, because you actually argue for true emancipation you need peace first, and that is nothing but “women rights after the revolution”.

                  Emancipation is not a mystical end goal, it is a process that takes place whenever someone fights for emancipation. So yes, real emancipation does happen within war too.

                  How do you believe emancipation within revolutionary situations are going to happen? Definitely not by peace and somewhen after the revolution but by building solidarity and power.

                  Why do you always assume some hidden anti-emancipatory agenda?

                  I don’t. It’s not hidden. It’s just that you seem to not understand the implications of:

                  Before there can be emancipation, they need peace.

                  • poVoq
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                    13 years ago

                    By your logic emancipation happens now under the Taliban too, because somewhere someone is probably still fighting for it under Taliban rule.

                    Just fighting for it is insufficient for reaching any kind of approximation of what an emancipatory society would look like. That is not a “mystical goal” but the reality that for emancipation to happen it has to be accepted and lived by more than just the small female fighting group you reference.