I once went to some colonial America living history museum thing once and some guy playing the “town constable” or whatever said that riding a horse in town while intoxicated was indeed a crime back then and could land you jail time. Idk if he was BSing or not.
I just did some searching, and I couldn’t find a single reference to any law criminalizing drunk riding that isn’t fairly recent.
Looking at some of the state laws criminalizing drunk riding: Minnesota only criminalized it in 2000, Oregon explicitly extended the motor vehicle code to riding animals, and it appears several other states(NH,SD,MA) it was the courts determined that horses were considered vehicles under the law. Interestingly SD explicitly excluded horses from the definition of vehicles back in 2006. I didn’t look at every state, but from those laws and a few articles I found about the earliest drunk driving laws(this one about Vermont is interesting) it seems likely that the constable was wrong.
I think the reason drunk riding probably wasn’t illegal before cars is that it didn’t really need to be. Horses aren’t machines, they don’t do exactly what the rider wants them to do at all times. If a rider is completely wasted and passes another horse or pedestrian, the horse will instinctively avoid them even if the rider directs them toward collision. It really only becomes an issue when 2000+lb machines zooming around that have the potential to scare the horse that the rider needs to be fully capable of taking control.
I don’t know why I just did an effort post about this, but I found it interesting.
Yeah drunk riding is probably overall more safe, but I imagine if someone got his horse up to full gallop while drunk he could potentially plow into a pedestrian or something.
Tho, I suppose towns back then just had a general “don’t ride your horse recklessly in town” laws, regardless of your intoxication level.
Tho, I suppose towns back then just had a general “don’t ride your horse recklessly in town” laws, regardless of your intoxication level.
Yeah, when I was searching I found an article from 1901 where a guy was arrested after being drunk and riding a horse dangerously. He was charged with disorderly conduct and something like reckless riding(I don’t remember the exact wording).
“Well listen here Chief! I was just taking my mare out for a quick trot to meet my main squeeze at the nickelodeon!”
“Alright there boots! But you were stinking of the devil’s elixir and riding around like a St. Louis Dandy! I’m gonna have to throw your in the tank, 23 Skidoo!”
“Well cat my dog and call me a Jay sonny!”
This is how I choose to imagine this exchange happened.
It’s intersting topic. Currently in Poland it’s in the somewhat gray zone - you can lose licence and get heavy punishments for driving a vehicle when drunk, but horse isn’t a vehicle according to the law definition (some paragraphs even specify “mechanical vehicle”). But in the road codex there are some exclusions where you can ride a horse or horse wagon, so you would need to pay attention to those. Also riding horse when drunk on the road would met the definition of “causing a danger in road traffic” and this is punishable too, though lighter than drunk drive.
Finally there is interesting loophole (afaik not checked yet) where a horse would go on autohorsepilot while the human would be lying drunk to total unconciousness on its back or in the wagon, so it would be unclear if he could be even counted as rider/driver.
Of course all this was nonsense in the relevant 70’s/80’s back then it was afaik legal and even if not, nobody i knew ever got into trouble for this. We also had maybe 1% of current cars so understandably the regulations were more relaxed and on such villages horse wagons and tractors were equally common sight as cars on the roads.
Okay no offense, but a in depth discussion of laws regarding riding a horse while intoxicated is probably the most Polish ass thing ever.
Sadly that part is in the past, but we got a new hobby, just last year i observed coworker getting so many penalty points in like 30 seconds to lose driving licence 3 times over.
When i was kid in my village people had horses for that.
I once went to some colonial America living history museum thing once and some guy playing the “town constable” or whatever said that riding a horse in town while intoxicated was indeed a crime back then and could land you jail time. Idk if he was BSing or not.
I just did some searching, and I couldn’t find a single reference to any law criminalizing drunk riding that isn’t fairly recent.
Looking at some of the state laws criminalizing drunk riding: Minnesota only criminalized it in 2000, Oregon explicitly extended the motor vehicle code to riding animals, and it appears several other states(NH,SD,MA) it was the courts determined that horses were considered vehicles under the law. Interestingly SD explicitly excluded horses from the definition of vehicles back in 2006. I didn’t look at every state, but from those laws and a few articles I found about the earliest drunk driving laws(this one about Vermont is interesting) it seems likely that the constable was wrong.
I think the reason drunk riding probably wasn’t illegal before cars is that it didn’t really need to be. Horses aren’t machines, they don’t do exactly what the rider wants them to do at all times. If a rider is completely wasted and passes another horse or pedestrian, the horse will instinctively avoid them even if the rider directs them toward collision. It really only becomes an issue when 2000+lb machines zooming around that have the potential to scare the horse that the rider needs to be fully capable of taking control.
I don’t know why I just did an effort post about this, but I found it interesting.
Yeah drunk riding is probably overall more safe, but I imagine if someone got his horse up to full gallop while drunk he could potentially plow into a pedestrian or something.
Tho, I suppose towns back then just had a general “don’t ride your horse recklessly in town” laws, regardless of your intoxication level.
Yeah, when I was searching I found an article from 1901 where a guy was arrested after being drunk and riding a horse dangerously. He was charged with disorderly conduct and something like reckless riding(I don’t remember the exact wording).
“Well listen here Chief! I was just taking my mare out for a quick trot to meet my main squeeze at the nickelodeon!”
“Alright there boots! But you were stinking of the devil’s elixir and riding around like a St. Louis Dandy! I’m gonna have to throw your in the tank, 23 Skidoo!”
“Well cat my dog and call me a Jay sonny!”
This is how I choose to imagine this exchange happened.
All Constables Are Bad, never trust a word out of their mouths
It’s intersting topic. Currently in Poland it’s in the somewhat gray zone - you can lose licence and get heavy punishments for driving a vehicle when drunk, but horse isn’t a vehicle according to the law definition (some paragraphs even specify “mechanical vehicle”). But in the road codex there are some exclusions where you can ride a horse or horse wagon, so you would need to pay attention to those. Also riding horse when drunk on the road would met the definition of “causing a danger in road traffic” and this is punishable too, though lighter than drunk drive.
Finally there is interesting loophole (afaik not checked yet) where a horse would go on autohorsepilot while the human would be lying drunk to total unconciousness on its back or in the wagon, so it would be unclear if he could be even counted as rider/driver.
Of course all this was nonsense in the relevant 70’s/80’s back then it was afaik legal and even if not, nobody i knew ever got into trouble for this. We also had maybe 1% of current cars so understandably the regulations were more relaxed and on such villages horse wagons and tractors were equally common sight as cars on the roads.
Okay no offense, but a in depth discussion of laws regarding riding a horse while intoxicated is probably the most Polish ass thing ever.
I’m a drunken Irish hick myself so I have no room to judge.
Sadly that part is in the past, but we got a new hobby, just last year i observed coworker getting so many penalty points in like 30 seconds to lose driving licence 3 times over.
Reject modernity: drunk driving
Embrace tradition: drunk equestrianism
Brilliant solution, honestly.
Horses would drive people home in their cars? Poland is stranger than I thought.
Yes