I think I made the point, but let me state it more clearly:
The United States of America is the most evil country on earth, probably in history, and its global empire has resulted in the suffering and death of millions if not billions of people at this point. NATO is an instrument of US empire and the European Union/Western European nations are loyal dogs to the US empire, happily participating in the oppression and violence while attempting to maintain clean reputations.
In comparison, Russia and even the old USSR cannot begin to stack up if you seriously analyze the crimes and bad actions.
All of that can be true, it can be true that Ukraine was brutalizing and unfairly treating ethnic Russians, and I can still remain adamant that war is not going to better the situation.
But here, let me do a bit of reframing and maybe you can accept this better.
I respect your outlook but if I am a liberal then socialists do not exist in the west. And maybe that is true. I only get mad when fellow Yankoids call me a liberal. If people elsewhere wish to view me as such, well, maybe I am to them.
With the above in mind, from my western perspective, I see clearly who benefits from this ongoing war in my own country/allied countries. The capitalist class, specifically those invested in the US military industrial complex. From purely that standpoint, I mostly see the war as an exchange of life for money. So, regardless of Putin’s motivations, regardless of basically anything else, I wish for my country, the US, to immediately stop funding the war and immediately stop meddling in the region (and the entire world, but focusing on Ukraine here). This has been my stance all along for over two years now (and of course before that I wanted the US to stop fucking around over there because clearly this type of scenario was inevitable).
And of course I support elimination of Nazi elements within Ukraine. I think the biggest positive step towards that goal would be the US fucking off since the US (CIA) loves to prop up Nazis and other reactionaries anywhere they meddle around the world.
Perhaps a positive way of viewing things is I want to pull US influence out of the region and you want to push it out. In that way, we work towards the same goal in different ways.
hey, sorry for being so rude before, i shouldnt have overreacted like that. your point of view is understandable, even if i cant agree one hundred percent. but maybe im a bit riddled with nationalistic brain worms and should practice self-criticism. the whole war wasnt really good for my emotional health
It’s ok, my friend. I could tell you meant well even if it was slightly rude. I wasn’t bothered by anything you said. As a self-hating American, maybe I even liked it a little bit.
I don’t believe both sides are equally bad.
I think I made the point, but let me state it more clearly:
The United States of America is the most evil country on earth, probably in history, and its global empire has resulted in the suffering and death of millions if not billions of people at this point. NATO is an instrument of US empire and the European Union/Western European nations are loyal dogs to the US empire, happily participating in the oppression and violence while attempting to maintain clean reputations.
In comparison, Russia and even the old USSR cannot begin to stack up if you seriously analyze the crimes and bad actions.
All of that can be true, it can be true that Ukraine was brutalizing and unfairly treating ethnic Russians, and I can still remain adamant that war is not going to better the situation.
But here, let me do a bit of reframing and maybe you can accept this better.
I respect your outlook but if I am a liberal then socialists do not exist in the west. And maybe that is true. I only get mad when fellow Yankoids call me a liberal. If people elsewhere wish to view me as such, well, maybe I am to them.
With the above in mind, from my western perspective, I see clearly who benefits from this ongoing war in my own country/allied countries. The capitalist class, specifically those invested in the US military industrial complex. From purely that standpoint, I mostly see the war as an exchange of life for money. So, regardless of Putin’s motivations, regardless of basically anything else, I wish for my country, the US, to immediately stop funding the war and immediately stop meddling in the region (and the entire world, but focusing on Ukraine here). This has been my stance all along for over two years now (and of course before that I wanted the US to stop fucking around over there because clearly this type of scenario was inevitable).
And of course I support elimination of Nazi elements within Ukraine. I think the biggest positive step towards that goal would be the US fucking off since the US (CIA) loves to prop up Nazis and other reactionaries anywhere they meddle around the world.
Perhaps a positive way of viewing things is I want to pull US influence out of the region and you want to push it out. In that way, we work towards the same goal in different ways.
hey, sorry for being so rude before, i shouldnt have overreacted like that. your point of view is understandable, even if i cant agree one hundred percent. but maybe im a bit riddled with nationalistic brain worms and should practice self-criticism. the whole war wasnt really good for my emotional health
It’s ok, my friend. I could tell you meant well even if it was slightly rude. I wasn’t bothered by anything you said. As a self-hating American, maybe I even liked it a little bit.
okay you two, break it up