Many of them think they make more money via tips than they would ever make from their employers. Regardless of whether they are right, I don’t see this happening in the places where workers make more tips until this bias can be overcome.
Nothing is stopping from from still receiving tips. The should just should not be demanded, and workers should still have a safety baseline. There’s no point in banning tipping itself.
Plus those statistics for tips received are very skewed by the young and conventionally attractive women/girls demographic. Older women, men of all ages, conventionally unattractive people, the disabled, and so on, make significantly less in tips then young and attractive women.
Plus servers in cheaper locations like diners already make much much less then servers in bars or fine dining.
If you don’t remove tips from the wages, the business owners will always use this income against the workers. I don’t have a problem with people continuing to receive tips, but will that be a factor that holds back progress when its used ad leverage?
As for the tip stats, I’m very hesitant to generalize tipped income. I’ve worked a variety of tipped jobs and what you said has held true to an extent in some of those jobs, while many others were more dependent on the volume of orders or your ability to connect with the customer long-term. In the later of those jobs, it was the older women who tended to make the most and the men typically did as well as the young women.
I think it’s industry and situation specific outside of the dine-in restaurants. Being conventionally attractive certainly doesn’t hurt in any of those situations though.
I see what you mean with that first paragraph. In an ideal world that wouldn’t be the case and tips would be of a customer’s own volition and separate entirely from any pay. But all things considered you’re probably right that restaurant tyrants would try to hold this over workers and customers.
Thank you for your insight into the industry though!
Many of them think they make more money via tips than they would ever make from their employers. Regardless of whether they are right, I don’t see this happening in the places where workers make more tips until this bias can be overcome.
Nothing is stopping from from still receiving tips. The should just should not be demanded, and workers should still have a safety baseline. There’s no point in banning tipping itself.
Plus those statistics for tips received are very skewed by the young and conventionally attractive women/girls demographic. Older women, men of all ages, conventionally unattractive people, the disabled, and so on, make significantly less in tips then young and attractive women.
Plus servers in cheaper locations like diners already make much much less then servers in bars or fine dining.
If you don’t remove tips from the wages, the business owners will always use this income against the workers. I don’t have a problem with people continuing to receive tips, but will that be a factor that holds back progress when its used ad leverage?
As for the tip stats, I’m very hesitant to generalize tipped income. I’ve worked a variety of tipped jobs and what you said has held true to an extent in some of those jobs, while many others were more dependent on the volume of orders or your ability to connect with the customer long-term. In the later of those jobs, it was the older women who tended to make the most and the men typically did as well as the young women.
I think it’s industry and situation specific outside of the dine-in restaurants. Being conventionally attractive certainly doesn’t hurt in any of those situations though.
I see what you mean with that first paragraph. In an ideal world that wouldn’t be the case and tips would be of a customer’s own volition and separate entirely from any pay. But all things considered you’re probably right that restaurant tyrants would try to hold this over workers and customers.
Thank you for your insight into the industry though!