• REEEEvolution
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    3 months ago

    The “territory” you’re looking for is called NATO. Its members totally join on their own free will, please ignore the regime changes that happen almost always before a country joins.

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      3 months ago

      The only things forcing countries to join NATO are the aggressive invasions of countries like Russia.

      They either get invaded (see Crimea, Chechnya, Georgia, …) or join the defensive alliance of NATO so they get to keep at least a semblance of individualism.

      NATO wouldn’t be needed if Russia kept to itself.

      If you want forced regime changes, just look at all the territories before they were invaded by Russia.

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        3 months ago

        Do you believe history is driven by people and ideas, or material conditions and the interests that arise from them?

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        3 months ago

        Ah yes, famous invasions during the 90s. Where NATO expanded a shitload after promising not to.

        Also your knowledge of these events is lackluster. Gerogia attacked Russia, not the other way around (one couldsay Russia over reacted, but that does not change the fact who initiated hostilities). Chechnya was a civil war (a country can’t invade itself). Crimea seceeded. So all of your examples are wrong.

        Oh and Russia asked to join NATO in the eaely 2000s. Got denied.

        IF you want to go further back it gets even better. NATO was founded before the Warsaw Treaty Org, the latter was founded after the USSR asked to join NATO and was denied.

        You are correct that NATO is a anti soviet/anti russian alliance, but not for the reasons you think.