No you are not. No humans are. Scientifically, there is no such thing as race.
Jews in particular, are a fairly diverse group of people. In my (admittedly weak) understanding, most of these DNA tests just assume that people who have a semitic haplo group, in combination with certain genes most common in eastern or southern europe, must have a Jewish family background. This methodology is obviously extremely eurocentric, which is probably why these freaks love it.
It’s also worth pointing out that those same semitic haplo groups are also extremely common among Palestinians, because Palestinians are indigenous to the region. I guess those “distinct” genetics only grant you the right to a nation-state if you have some european mutations attached.
I know I’m preaching to the choir but this is just blood and soil ethnonationalism with an extremely thin veneer of progressivism. Even if an ethnic group was somehow consistently and measurably distinct from the rest of humanity, it wouldn’t somehow justify the displacement and destruction of any other group of people. Genetics are obviously completely irrelevant to the shit that isreal is doing and the fact that this person thinks it serves as some kind of justification only exposes their blatant fascism. This whole line of argument is just so disgusting and despicably racist.
No you are not. No humans are. Scientifically, there is no such thing as race.
They are genetically distinct enough for it to be measurable. Just because there is no hard line where one group ends and another begins doesn’t mean there isn’t genetic divergence. The point they’re trying to make here is that Jews are an ethnically distinct group and they aren’t just a religion. You can’t say that Christianity is an ethnicity because Christians as a group aren’t genetically distinct, Jews are.
I mean sure, there’s obviously some degree of distinction. But there’s enough variety and overlap between groups that it’s hard to claim there’s genetic evidence for race. The way that corporations like 23 and Me choose to measure race is also fairly controversial, at least in my understanding.
Kinda self doxxing, but in my own experience, a few close relatives of mine got tested and came back with a high ratio of Shepardi genetic markers. One is definitely Jewish, so no surprises there. However, the other is almost entirely Anglo-Irish, with some Muslim background from Spain. The genes the test marked as Shepardi most likely came from that group of Muslims. These genetic tests generally tend to assume that Semite + euro = Jew when that is not always the case. This assumption tends to erase some european Muslims as well as many Arabic and African Jews.
Genetics and “race” also aren’t equivalent to ethnicity, especially in a multiracial ethnoreligious group. My father is of Jewish descent but my mother is not and I wasn’t really raised as a Jew. If I wanted to be considered Jewish, I’d need to put in the effort of joining a community and possibly converting, depending on how conservative the sect is. A genetic test absolutely would not cut it.
I mean sure, there’s obviously some degree of distinction. But there’s enough variety and overlap between groups that it’s hard to claim there’s genetic evidence for race.
No one is saying the socially constructed idea of race is written in genetics. Just that you can detect a measurable difference between groups of people. This statistically trend for certain groups to have certain genetics can be used to understand the ways in which cultures interacted with eachother. We’ve gotten good evidence for entire conflicts lost to history by comparing mitochondrial DNA and the Y chromosome of certain ethnic groups.
Genetics and “race” also aren’t equivalent to ethnicity, especially in a multiracial ethnoreligious group. My father is of Jewish descent but my mother is not and I wasn’t really raised as a Jew. If I wanted to be considered Jewish, I’d need to put in the effort of joining a community and possibly converting, depending on how conservative the sect is.
I don’t disagree here. I wasn’t stating that genetics is all you need to belong in a certain group. Just that genetic evidence points towards Jews indeed being a more distinct lineage of people as opposed to Christianity.
I didn’t realize that you can’t convert to Judaism.
You can go into literally any church and walk out a Christian after 1 service. Jewish converts have a long, hard process and are treated as outsiders even after the conversion. Gentiles are often advised against conversion and told to just live by the law. The fact that you don’t know this makes me think you’re just a debatebro nerd.
Did you want to explain how they are genetically distinct, to counter the argument you responded to? What is shared among them that makes them distinct from the Palestinians?
The whole “Jews are genetically distinct” is a counter-argument to the idea that Judaism is a religion and not an ethnicity. You would know this if you had understood the context. Modern Palestinians are the closest group to Jews, I never claimed otherwise.
No you are not. No humans are. Scientifically, there is no such thing as race.
Jews in particular, are a fairly diverse group of people. In my (admittedly weak) understanding, most of these DNA tests just assume that people who have a semitic haplo group, in combination with certain genes most common in eastern or southern europe, must have a Jewish family background. This methodology is obviously extremely eurocentric, which is probably why these freaks love it.
It’s also worth pointing out that those same semitic haplo groups are also extremely common among Palestinians, because Palestinians are indigenous to the region. I guess those “distinct” genetics only grant you the right to a nation-state if you have some european mutations attached.
I know I’m preaching to the choir but this is just blood and soil ethnonationalism with an extremely thin veneer of progressivism. Even if an ethnic group was somehow consistently and measurably distinct from the rest of humanity, it wouldn’t somehow justify the displacement and destruction of any other group of people. Genetics are obviously completely irrelevant to the shit that isreal is doing and the fact that this person thinks it serves as some kind of justification only exposes their blatant fascism. This whole line of argument is just so disgusting and despicably racist.
They are genetically distinct enough for it to be measurable. Just because there is no hard line where one group ends and another begins doesn’t mean there isn’t genetic divergence. The point they’re trying to make here is that Jews are an ethnically distinct group and they aren’t just a religion. You can’t say that Christianity is an ethnicity because Christians as a group aren’t genetically distinct, Jews are.
I mean sure, there’s obviously some degree of distinction. But there’s enough variety and overlap between groups that it’s hard to claim there’s genetic evidence for race. The way that corporations like 23 and Me choose to measure race is also fairly controversial, at least in my understanding.
Kinda self doxxing, but in my own experience, a few close relatives of mine got tested and came back with a high ratio of Shepardi genetic markers. One is definitely Jewish, so no surprises there. However, the other is almost entirely Anglo-Irish, with some Muslim background from Spain. The genes the test marked as Shepardi most likely came from that group of Muslims. These genetic tests generally tend to assume that Semite + euro = Jew when that is not always the case. This assumption tends to erase some european Muslims as well as many Arabic and African Jews.
Genetics and “race” also aren’t equivalent to ethnicity, especially in a multiracial ethnoreligious group. My father is of Jewish descent but my mother is not and I wasn’t really raised as a Jew. If I wanted to be considered Jewish, I’d need to put in the effort of joining a community and possibly converting, depending on how conservative the sect is. A genetic test absolutely would not cut it.
No one is saying the socially constructed idea of race is written in genetics. Just that you can detect a measurable difference between groups of people. This statistically trend for certain groups to have certain genetics can be used to understand the ways in which cultures interacted with eachother. We’ve gotten good evidence for entire conflicts lost to history by comparing mitochondrial DNA and the Y chromosome of certain ethnic groups.
I don’t disagree here. I wasn’t stating that genetics is all you need to belong in a certain group. Just that genetic evidence points towards Jews indeed being a more distinct lineage of people as opposed to Christianity.
Fair enough, sorry if I mischaracterized your statements.
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You can go into literally any church and walk out a Christian after 1 service. Jewish converts have a long, hard process and are treated as outsiders even after the conversion. Gentiles are often advised against conversion and told to just live by the law. The fact that you don’t know this makes me think you’re just a debatebro nerd.
The whole “Jews are genetically distinct” is a counter-argument to the idea that Judaism is a religion and not an ethnicity. You would know this if you had understood the context. Modern Palestinians are the closest group to Jews, I never claimed otherwise.
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