I’ll edit my responses here…

A small anecdote here: I read a few days ago that apparently, Alzheimer’s patients get their daily routine and circadian rhythm knocked around by this policy

Edit 2: It’s funny how people are talking about time, as if this were my 2nd post of discussion on why time measurement is bullshit, on my account…

Some memorable replies here:

another point is that it’s probably not great for animals with a strong internal clock

Do not make me get up an hour earlier I will fucking cut you.

On the other hand it is nice the park is open later but have you considered just adequately lighting the park bike paths?

it’s bad and we should commemorate the inventor with a public toilet

        • Orcocracy [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          11·
          1 year ago

          No, they couldn’t possibly have brought you in at 7am and kept you there through the late afternoon. Next you’ll be telling us you walked uphill both ways and had to go in on Sundays.

          • charly4994 [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            6·
            1 year ago

            When I went to school in Japan the school had an “optional” first class that started at like 7:15 and went until the official start time of like 8:00. Though it was on paper optional, it really wasn’t optional and all students were expected to be there for it except me, the foreign kid. School ran until like 4pm I believe and then you had extra curriculars like clubs and other groups that students were also heavily encouraged to be a part of which could last as late at 7pm or get out by probably 5-6. Also have fun commuting to school, add another chunk of time pre- and post- day for that, took me like 20 minutes one way by bike. There was also sometimes stuff on the weekend too.

            • Orcocracy [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              8·
              1 year ago

              No, what I know is really quite different. But that’s not so strange, most countries do things a bit differently when it comes to schools, as the other person replying noted. The most unusual part of all of this to me is that you liked it.

                • Sickos [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  8·
                  1 year ago

                  THERE were two instances of "just Rude” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought Rudeness in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted a mere comment, the other had lasted an entire career; the one inflicted insult upon a single poster, the other upon a hundred million workers; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Rudeness, the momentary Rudeness, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of a quick breach of Civility, compared with lifelong suffering from sleepiness, sleepiness, sleepiness, sleepiness, and sleepiness? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A Facebook memorial page could contain the posts filled by that brief Rudeness which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Rudeness—that unspeakably bitter and early Rudeness which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

                  • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    4·
                    1 year ago

                    good post

                    I still disagree though 7am is in the realm of when noise is allowed and morning people must suffer in turn when we make noises at night. People are irritating that’s a fact of life to be free of irritation is only possible for those who create their own prisons of sterile isolation

                    if you live around people you will be annoyed

                • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netMEnglish
                  3·
                  1 year ago

                  The protestant work ethic and its valuation of things like regular and early schedules, diligence in your dedicated lifelong vocation, and refusal of frivolous purchasing is largely responsible for the structure and dominance of capitalism.

                  Maybe check out The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber and do some self crit?

        • trompete [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          9·
          1 year ago

          Did your government put you in an incorrect timezone or something?

          Every time there’s DST change in my country a bunch of articles pop up that explain the following consensus put forward by sleep scientists:

          During DST, most people sleep less (as in: not enough). There were studies where people got locked in windowless basements or something and they tended to adopt something like 25h rhythm (varies by person). That internal clock gets modulated back to 24h by exposure to sunlight. When people are forced to get up too early, they tend to no fully compensate by going to sleep earlier by a similar amount, due to the natural rhythm telling them it’s too early for bed. This causes chronic lack of sleep, a permanent jet lag. Most of the working and school age population suffer from this during DST here, especially teenagers, since something something hormones makes them evening people.

          The usual recommendation is to start school (especially for teenagers) not earlier than 9 normal time (instead of the usual 8 here). And to get rid of DST obviously.

                • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  8·
                  1 year ago

                  means only two hours of time in that smaller time frame

                  the amount of time in the day doesn’t change. someone could utilize later start times to sleep and stay up later, even!

    • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      20·
      1 year ago

      Starting at 7:00 is actually very early, and harmful for the growth of most children and their learning. First few lessons are wasted because they’re so tired.

        • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          12·
          1 year ago

          I agree, starting children off at 7 am does sound ridiculous. Early morning classes are linked with poor academic performance across the age spectrum of students

            • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              11·
              1 year ago

              We could also just make their schooldays shorter. They don’t learn anything apart from being beaten down by keeping them in school for an inordinate amount of hours. There isn’t really a correlation between time spent in school and academic performance https://junilearning.com/blog/guide/shorter-school-days/
              And again whatever you feel about it, early morning classes have been shown time and again to be bad for the students. At this point you’re advocating for vibes-based policy.

                • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  9·
                  1 year ago

                  im basing what I am saying off of my own life.

                  Yeah that’s what I am saying - Vibes based. When you argue for large scale policy, you shouldn’t do it based off of singular anecdotal experience, especially not when you are given proof of your anecdotal reference being wrong

        • Mardoniush [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          We had 7:30 morning classes for extension electives (AP classes in US terms I guess) in Year 11/12 but the teacher wisely decided these would be at Mac Donalds. Also if you make me function before 10am I will stab you with a hat pin and set my stick insects upon your bleeding form.