So it seems to me that across many spaces there is a tendency to water down queer and gender issues into the cynical commercialism that finance capitalists have pushed for. Among communists I see this with what people in Donbas have said, what a person from the DPRK has said to a Chinese interviewer, and it is also found in the west. Also in sections of the Indigenous community oftentimes elders will claim that (ironically) white people made up Two-Spirit people, all despite evidence to the contrary.

We also see characters like Putin rallying around this idea that the west is obsessed with “gender freedoms” despite the very obvious coordinated crackdowns against these supposed “freedoms” in the west.

When I hear people make these claims I am baffled because I am certain that colonialism has damaged and (attempted to) erase Indigenous gender expressions around the world. To say that queer issues can be boiled down to liberalism is clearly false and likley has its root in colonialism. Yet communists and other forces that are otherwise opposed to the financial imperialist system are not unified on this issue.

It does seem clear that the west tries to weaponize human rights to justify war and to justify investments. It also demonizes and makes sure to show when its enemies show these sentiments. But this reactionary strain of communism has failed to explain how the bourgeoisie apparently invented trans people without simply criticising their least favorite liberal feminist or gender theorist (perhaps Judith Butler). But gender is dynamic and if it has been molded by capital in this way then it should be demonstrable beyond criticisms of a single theorist or a single field.

I myself am absolutely no expert on gender or queer theory. Im straight and grew up in a reactionary home. Im hoping people here can give insight on how to address these issues that exist among communists. I think we can tallow the west to use human rights to further colonize the world and gender issues accross the world probably manifest differently and that should be understood and respectes. Simultaneously, we cant allow this erroneous view that the western bourgeoisie is not only the protector of gender rights, but its progenitor.

Anyways, I am hoping for some discussion on this.

  • @GloriousDoubleK
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    32 years ago

    Ive asked white communists what they think colonized communists owe them. That there must be something that nonwhite communists arent giving white workers for solidarity for whatever reason. They cant name it so they retreat to this place where anticolonial thought and feminist thought is just a direct personal attack on private character of individuals.

    I dont know what it would take on the ground level. My hope is that the dissolution of colonialism and imperialism that whites enjoy will, if not allow them to change for a better understanding; will keep them suppressed into a state of weakness when it comes to being able to colonize people.

    Even if it has to come to that; it is worth it. Because CLEARLY the white socialist line of “Shut up about your grievances and your concerns of safety that manifests vestigially to capital and more to your nonwhiteness and noncisness and just help make the trains run on time” socialist line isnt sufficient.

    I dont know what else will work other than a stunning and total and world severing defeat of the colonial west. If they dont wanna change and integrate into humanity with some respect for others… Then hopefully they can stay forever disempowered.

    A socialist world doesnt necessarily need Europe’s input or white America’s input. All they REALLY need is their surrender or defeat.

    • @CountryBreakfastOP
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      42 years ago

      A socialist world doesnt necessarily need Europe’s input or white America’s input. All they REALLY need is their surrender or defeat.

      ❤️ I tell ya what this is exactly how I feel and yet it is the exact opposite of what my academic field of study seems to espouse. Almost as if the whole thing was currated by the interests of corporations and investors (oh shit it was).

      Yeah I feel like the total strategic military defeat of the west is the biggest domino that needs to fall. I couldn’t agree more that at the end of the day if white people are kept down the world has a chance to develop properly. We dont really need to make allies out of our enemies if we can just defeat them all together. It would be such a huge burden lifted from the world.

      • @GloriousDoubleK
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        32 years ago

        Im not suggesting to not TRY to reach out… To win over westerners to an anticolonial view. It is worth it; if for nothing, to add a chilling effect to military recruitment.

        If we cant change hearts and minds with pleading and begging and educating; then perhaps a severe economic collapse with a lack of electricity and running water will change their minds.

        And if not then; may the world contain these people to be the barbarians they wanna be in tight, controlled, impentatrable borders. Let them pray their way back to the stone age for all I care. So long as the rest of the world gets to move on in peace, cooperation, and stability. It’s worth it.