u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhou
Hey comrades,
I’m a part of a discord server called Vegan Theory Club that’s run by mix of leftist tendencies. It’s a theory club that’s explicitly leftist and vegan, but we talk about more than just the book of the month.
We just started reading Eternal Treblinka - Our Treatment of Animals and the Holocaust by Charles Patterson, which we voted for. (Our last book was Kapital.) Right now is the perfect time to join!
We’d love to have you!
u/ThewFflegyy - originally from r/GenZhouits literally not the flesh of a conscious animal. as for commodifying it, is that really the fault of the product or the economic system?
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhouHow do you think they grow the flesh? They harvest it from someone. You can’t solve animal exploitation by exploiting animals. And you can’t do it through enriching meat capitalists.
u/ThewFflegyy - originally from r/GenZhouno dude, it does not. it is essentially genetically modified yeast.
im with you capitalism is a problem. that doesn’t mean the concept of lab grown meat can’t work. this is like saying you can’t eat bread because it is enriching agricultural capitalists.
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhouThey must harvest muscle cells, which requires a biopsy.
Bread can be produced ethically under socialism. There is no economic configuration under which oppressing sentient nonhumans for mere taste pleasure is ethical.
u/A-V-A-Weyland - originally from r/GenZhouIf a biopsy is animal abuse, then I guess we should also close down all veterinarians. Because if sticking a needle in an animal to extract a few cells is too far of a step for veganists then I guess cutting an animal open to perform surgery or to mend a broken leg is unethical.
You guys are so morally depraved. All you know is lash out just so you can stay on your plastic* moral high horse.
* >!Can’t be a real horse. That’d be cruel.!<
u/Pomelo-san - originally from r/GenZhouDoing a biopsy of an animal being against their individual interests is violating their autonomy to exploit them. Break the cycle of violence against all animal beings by changing your values and rejecting their devalued commodity status.
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhouHi, I’m a “leftist,” and I see no difference between necessary medical intervention for the benefit of the patient and hurting someone else because I think their body tastes good.
I’ve heard they’re growing leather too. Could really go for some lab grown boot 😋
u/ThewFflegyy - originally from r/GenZhouit depends on the product. impossible burgers for example are genetically modified yeast.
besides, a biopsy really isnt abusive. are vets abusive?
ok what is the difference between consuming bread and lab grown meat under capitalism? I really dont see the distinction in regards to commodification and the capitalist class being in control of its production.
ethical or not the reality is a lot of people arnt going to be willing to give up meat. that is the reality of the situation. as such there is a lot to be said for better alternatives to real meat.
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhouFirst of all, this is about lab grown meat, not Impossible. Impossible sucks too though because they unnecessarily test on animals.
When vets conduct biopsies, they’re doing it for the animal’s health, not to tickle your taste buds.
u/A-V-A-Weyland - originally from r/GenZhouLOL OP has no idea what they’re talking about.