u/3corneredtreehopp3r - originally from r/GenZhou
A bit of an odd question, but something that keeps popping in my head that I can’t shake. Hoping to get some other opinions.
Before COVID, I had started a marxist reading group to try to work through Capital together. I didn’t know any marxists/communists at the time, so everyone that came was a total stranger responding to posters I had put up in a few places.
In general it was a great experience with a surprisingly good turnout, although after a few months attendance dropped off quite a bit. I think the text was a little dense for a beginner group, probably should have started with something easier. Honestly I made a lot of mistakes that I wouldn’t repeat if I were to do it again.
In any event, eventually it was just me and one other guy, who set off alarms for me after a while.
He was white and in his mid-thirties. Pretty easy conversationalist. He had an older copy of Capital V1 that he brought with him that looked like it had been read a lot. Like maybe 10-20 times. But he had a somewhat odd understanding of certain passages and would ask the group for their opinion on what x,y, or z thing meant. He would readily agree with whatever the consensus was, never really argued his points.
He claimed to be a member of PSL, and he might have actually been one, I’m not sure. But the nearest PSL organization is about a 2 hour drive or train ride away. He claimed he would make the trip every weekend, and spend time down there doing whatever just hanging out in the big city. Maybe that’s normal for some people, but I’ve never personally met anyone who does that unless they’re in a long-distance relationship. It didn’t sound like he went there to meet anyone, he claimed he just wandered around on his own.
But there’s another odd thing. He had a bunch of 12-gauge shotgun ammunition with him one day, and offered it to me saying he couldn’t use it. It was a whole grocery bag full of boxes of shells… several hundred rounds. It felt like a very weird thing to offer someone out of the blue.
When it was just the two of us and nobody else was coming anymore, I was still trying to have a discussion to work through the book one or two chapters at a time. But then after a couple meetings of that he said he would rather just hang out, drink beer, and talk casually—and that it was going to take too long to get through the book. And then he said that he thought the key to Revolution was to try to get people to stop working at their jobs. Like start taking 3-day weekends, then 4-day weekends, etc. I told him that sounded like a utopian anarchist plan and that it didn’t really make sense to me.
That was the last time I talked to him because he just gave me the heebie jeebies and he obviously wasn’t going to be much help getting through the book.
But what do you think? On a scale of 90-100%, how likely is it that there’s a file on me in the Hoover building? And secondly, how are you supposed to organize and not be infiltrated?

[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou[deleted]
[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhouThere were lots of FBI informants in CPUSA in the 50s and 60s, sure. Back when they were funded by the USSR. These days I’m sure there are no more than any other communist group.
Just get used to the fact that you’re under surveillance at all times, and that all of our organizations have infiltrators and informants.
Each of these parties has advantages and disadvantages. I personally picked CPUSA because it’s the biggest, and has the most elder comrades (continuity of struggle is important), and because it is internationally recognized by most other communist parties.
When you read about all the other communist parties in the US, most of them have the same origin story - they split from CPUSA in 19xx because CPUSA had a bad take on some issue that is no longer relevant today. Some of them even split from the splitters - PSL as I understand it came from a Trotskyist group that split from CPUSA in the 50s, then they split again to go back with an ML line.
All this splitting and counter-splitting seems so short sighted to me. If we take a long term view, then it looks kind of silly how every time the party has a bad take, comrades feel the need to run off and form a whole new party rather than stay the course and correct those mistakes over time.
u/Bearlong - originally from r/GenZhouYes, that shining beacon of leftist organizing, The Presbyterian Church.
^^^^^ok ^^^^^but ^^^^^what ^^^^^does ^^^^^PCUSA ^^^^^really ^^^^^mean ^^^^^i ^^^^^dont ^^^^^know
u/3corneredtreehopp3r - originally from r/GenZhouParty of Communists USA
u/Bearlong - originally from r/GenZhouI’m learning :)
u/3corneredtreehopp3r - originally from r/GenZhouAs are we all :)