the uprising in DPR and LPR where people rebelled against the regime.

You mean these people, right? The ones Russia sent in?

The fact that the west ran a coup in Ukraine is well documented,

It most certainly is not. If it were you’d have provided a source.

and it’s very clear that the fascist regime there does not represent the majority o the people.

Citation needed. The events of 2005, 2013/2014, 2022-present beg to differ.

The very fact that Ukraine no longer has elections underscores just how unpopular this regime is.

Oh you got me, I definitely can’t think of ANY other reasons why elections would be challenging in Ukraine right now.

Go spread your propaganda elsewhere.

Pot, meet kettle.

This perspective is just the casual erasure of the free agency of people living in the democracies of central and Eastern Europe, Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltic states.

Instead of seeing it as NATO expanding, why can’t you see it that many countries are afraid of Russia and are voluntarily joining? Why would they be afraid of Russia? Sweden and Finland held out for a long time, and when they joined it was not because NATO “expanded into” them, it’s because they wanted to join! Aren’t you capable of seeing all these people as making their own choices?

Ukraine has a long yet alternating history of good relations with Russia alongside the desire for greater integration with the west. You are just absolutely incapable of acknowledging that they made their own choice for themselves to move away from Russia. They expressed their collective will with Yushchenko in 2005, with Maidan in 2013-2014, and still to this day. Russia was perfectly fine with a neutral Ukraine as long as the Ukrainians only do what Russia wants them to do, and when they don’t (or when Georgia didn’t), they get the tanks.

Lol thanks, you got it. I’ll wear the downvotes as a badge of shame, and a reminder to take the time to think before I shoot off a stupid comment.

Bah, who am I kidding. It’s not the first time this happened and it won’t be the last. I once got downvotes in a newiran subreddit because the OP compared the Iran govt to neanderthals - I felt that homo sapiens neanderthalensis is a bit misunderstood and didn’t deserve to be insulted by the comparison.

Hey is this the part where we ask for proof?

Cuz all I’ve been hearing is that Canada’s allegations are totally baseless until we provide proof. Isn’t that how it works? Or is proof only required when India is being accused?

I understand, it sounds like you are concerned for India’s international reputation in light of these allegations, and rightfully so. It’s unfair from the perspective of a common citizen that your country gets flamed like this without proof, and insulting that people just say “well it’s Canada, they aren’t lying”.

It’s just that I trust my government and institutions and I believe them. Biden and Trudeau both spoke to Modi before this was released. Journalists in Canada were going to release this if the government didn’t. I truly believe that handling it this way was bad for Canada too, so I don’t see an incentive for Canada to lie which I do see for the Indian govt. Don’t forget that other countries have their own relationships with India and will make their own decisions about supporting the allegations, not necessarily in light of the quality of proof but rather for pragmatic reasons. I think this whole affair will be painful for normal people in both countries, so in that sense you’re absolutely right that diplomacy failed.

Still I’m curious: what do you think would be the reaction if the allegations turn out to be true?

Fair enough, I see where you’re coming from and fully expect some proof. I do however have doubts that any proof will ever be conclusive enough to convince people and certainly not enough to get Modi to admit the truth if his govt is truly behind it. So what will providing proof accomplish anyway? Not providing proof might be a tactic to elicit lies that can be demonstrated as such through a trickle release of proof, enough to prove that the deniers are liars.

At the end of the day, Canada is a sovereign country and they are free to level a number of consequences against a foreign government if they so desire, including sanctions, visa restrictions, and so on. The only proof they need is for themselves, and to take action that will protect Canadians from foreign assassinations in the future. Canada really does not have to prove anything to India, especially if they do not believe the Indian govt is acting in good faith.

But it’s not exactly a threat is it? It’s a very reasonable observation about how Ukrainian refugees might feel and behave.

Wouldn’t you feel the same way? Your country gets invaded, you flee to a generous supporting friendly country. That country stops being supporting, and your chances to return home start to vanish. You didn’t choose to be here. Now you’re stuck in a foreign country that you feel could be doing more to fight injustice and give you a chance to return home.

He’s the president of a democracy, not a mind controller. People will feel a certain way. He’s simply observing this potential situation, as a warning to the allies not to slide into complacency.

Good explanation.

The only way out without abandoning their convictions (be it of religion or of their own conception of masculinity) is to direct it towards hatred.

To expand on this, think of how homophobes are usually triggered. They don’t like anything where the “gay agenda” is “shoved down our throats”. Pride, rainbow flags, literally any time someone is openly gay in public. They have to “protect the children” from being exposed to this. Why? Because anything that normalizes homosexuality is yet another reminder of their identity crisis and insecurity. Anything that can keep homosexuality out of the public sphere is one less threat to their fragile identity.

Frankly homophobia should be classified as a mental illness and what these people need is therapy. But can you imagine!?! Gay conversion therapy, turning good god-fearing christians gay.

No but it’s weird that I never see any comments supporting Ukraine from hexbear users. Like the country was invaded, there is evidence of massive human rights atrocities. It is beyond the pale that so many people would just coincidentally celebrate every piece of bad news for the people being invaded and spin everything negatively against them. One would expect some diversity of opinions from any reasonably large instance but hexbear users all act like pro-russian trolls.

What will count as a news site? So obviously ones like Reuters, CBC, The Guardian will be blocked, but what about the disinformation bullshit sites like C0v1dHoAx-Chronicle dot net ? They were only “news” insofar as they could piggyback on reputable information and spread their bile.

I suspect only the fake news sites will wind up on Facebook, furthering the echo chamber of right wing disinformation.