J’ai l’impression qu’il manque tout le point des moyens contractuels inventés et mis en œuvre par l’église pour exploiter des terres et recevoir des rentes liées uniquement a la possession de la terre, qui met quand même un point de départ intéressant (et antérieur a ce papier) au capitalisme moderne.
De toute façon faire le tri entre capitalisme, propriété autre que d’usage, domination sociale etc. est compliqué et je pense multiforme.
Ma question n’est pas des individus mais de l’instance. Faut faire la part des choses. Ici on est bien, et si on regarde on a quelques boulets qui trainent, probablement dont moi, et au final c’est ça qui est bien. Après si l’instance entière cautionne de la merde invasive ça le fait plus. Mais la si je poste la bas c’est aussi leur terrain, et honnêtement, mis a part un boulet que j’ai bloqué les autres sont très civils même si ils ne sont pas d’accord avec moi.
Yes and no. You don’t define a Lemmy community or a group of people like that. You may at best define a country, but that wasn’t what I pointed out, nor is it what was stated.
France by its government, medias, and the propaganda believed by the overwhelming majority of its population, seems like a fair shortcut,
No. That’s the whole point. Because as soon as that line of thought is cautioned, you only need a drop of social or economic domination to create a racist trend.
Correction : Someone states a French speaking community should be defederated on the basis of being pro-French
This is not what was posted or claimed.
If you really hate the current actions of France then we have the same “values”/beliefs/ideology
Define the actions of France. Is that of the French government? Is that of the French people? If it is of the French people considering there is basically a third econoLibs, a third racist and a third normal people in France at the moment, which third are you referring to? When considering the neoliberals, are you splitting the ones who are really neoliberals and the ones who just had neoliberal propaganda dumped onto them?
I personally despise what the French government is up to, the country’s current constitution and its authoritarian uses. But French people / France is also Solidaires/SUD, bars like le saint sauveur in Paris (historic antifa bar)… People are not a stable mix, and you can take the most hideous imperialistic regime and still find decent people in the country. Rejection of people or communities based on prejudice and labelling is scaringly close to racism.
To admit to being french is to admit to being liberal at best.
Born in a country = be liberal at best.
Would the rest of your post be different I would classify this as a top racism.
Claiming and defending being ‘French’ perpetuates what Fanon called the compartments of the colonial world.
Which is totally the opposite of what happened. Someone calls out an instance for being French and I just pointed that out as being xenophobic. Now your whole argumentations would tend to prove that I was correct in the first place and that judging people for being born somewhere is being xenophobic.
Those who take offence at a rejection of ‘French’, ‘German’, ‘British’, ‘Australian’, etc, need to ask themselves what it is they are claiming allegiance to.
Those who confuse the rejection of a country with the rejection of the people living in that country need to ask themselves what it is they are claiming allegiance to.
On my app, I don’t see the flag. But i don’t give a shit about flags in the first place. Mixing in an agressive manner people, countries and Lemmy communities is plain stupid. And flag wavers deserve the cold shoulder in my book, whatever flags they wave.
As for the rest of your diatribe, I don’t know of a single country that can be proud of its past. Countries are shit. And mixing nations / people / countries is a shit xenophobic attitude.
She’s not “racist”, since she doesn’t hate me for being french
Yeah cool. Someone states a French speaking community should be defederated on the basis of being French, starts insulting the people but they’re not xenophobic, they have a French friend. That line of argumentation is the worst you could do.
I’m seeing quite a few misconceptions here and just like to clarify things a bit.
Jlai.lu is a French speaking instance with a majority of French users but also some Belgian, Canadian and Swiss users. The Luxembourg extension is pretty much the same as Redd.it being Italian, with the exact same pun used.
The instance is (European scale) left leaning, with a few leftists being very active (anarchists, communists, socialists…) and a majority of libs, most being libs, some left-leaning libs, a few econolibs. Fascists are immediately kicked out when identified, right-wingers usually end downvoted when explaining their views but are allowed. For context fascists are currently 1/3 to 1/2 of voters in France, depending on the cutoff you use, the whole right pushing to fascism for fear of socdem trying to be social.
An ass launched the idea of defederating hexbear for personal reasons, which turned into a few hexbear users becoming a nuisance on the thread.
The instance admin opened the idea of defederating here and hexbear as a discussion. I don’t know why lemmygrad was mentioned at all. Hexbear defederated from their side.
Votes were cast on people reacting to the ass-thread more than real checking as there are very few interaction between the instances.
Jlailu admin stated that they were thinking about the issue and saw the vote as food for thought but not as a direct decision maker to defederate. Admin is against defederation. At no point is it deemed unavoidable. A few users have tried to point to “problematic” content, usually ending on whatever (didn’t spend the energy cross checking, every instance has shitposts for who digs, admins having a life offline).
Not much to add except that translations are bound to hurt. In France :
Communism is seen as either a slur from people not knowing what it is or as an achieved form, but still usually including some actors of transition (Lenin, Sankara) but excluding others (Stalin, Xi). Don’t ask why, that’s not the point, it’s just that’s how french language evolved and the context needed if you start to dig.
Also, the French socialist party has become right-wing soc-dem (left wing socdem being LFI). The french communist party is… Something, not sure it’s leftist (closest to communist/Marxist/socialist parties would be NPA or luttes ouvrières). So the words really need context.
Ça devient le plus gros fil de jlailu pour une instance a la con qui a defédérer elle-même et une instance “communiste” (pour un sens du mot très different de ce que je conçoit comme étant communiste mais c’est pas bien bien grave) qui n’a pas vraiment fait de mal, même si leur commus a la con sont a la con et pleine d’autoréférence.
Je pense que notre énergie collective est mal utilisée.
J’ai l’impression qu’il manque tout le point des moyens contractuels inventés et mis en œuvre par l’église pour exploiter des terres et recevoir des rentes liées uniquement a la possession de la terre, qui met quand même un point de départ intéressant (et antérieur a ce papier) au capitalisme moderne.
De toute façon faire le tri entre capitalisme, propriété autre que d’usage, domination sociale etc. est compliqué et je pense multiforme.