Respect freedom of people who respect yours. Help each other. Fight together against those who try to take it away.
So, how should we call it when people are “not liberated” from the regime that doesn’t let people escape the country and that kidnaps people off the streets and sends them to die in the meatgrinder?
I always thought that the word for that is liberated, but I’d gladly learn a better one :)
Don’t forget to thank our Lord and Saviour Mr. Zelensky (and the brave heroes protecting Ukraine’s borders!) that this criminal was caught!
Just imagine what would happen if he actually managed to escape, and god-forbid lived a happy life instead of being kidnapped in a few years (or earlier…) off the streets and sent into meat grinder to die? That would be terrible!
God bless western democracy.
And some people are really surprised how can people say that Russia is liberating Ukraine… Yeah, those must be tankies. Obviously freedom is slavery.
This week you guys thought they were lying when they reiterated words from Zelensky
Yeah, I think reconfiguring the bots with a new narrative is long overdue tbh…
It’s one thing to question how objective are Russian sources when talking about ukraine, but those bots post the same “this is Russian propaganda” / “this is unreliable source” narrative even under articles from western medias, and it even gets posted under articles from ukrainian sources, where the next recommended article is usually something like “illegally, unprovokedly and full-scale invading orcs just massacred triillions of innocent ukrainian women and children” which is just peak comedy :/
At least add filtering on domains before commenting or something, it’s not that hard XD
That guy, whoever he is, must be a Russian agent spreading their misinformation!
And now let me spread a little bit of my favourite Russian misinformation.
This is how Ukrainian people react to “enemy” hitting the building of (and possibly killing several of) the brave TCC/TCR heroes helping people to enlist against the invading orcs who want to massacre us all.
Why ceasefire? Doesn’t he know that Ukraine is winning?
Well, what else can one do when even ukrainian sources begin to admit that maybe, just maybe, “Crimean beach party” won’t happen after all? :)
I know, right? Those damn Ukrainian news websites spreading Russian propaganda about how bad things are in Ukraine.
I am ashamed of posting this, it’s so obvious that it’s just Russian lies, entirely unconvincing, amirite?
I have heard that Ukraine is a crazy fascist state. This seems to support that.
Of course no, what the hell are you talking about?
Ukraine is last bastion of democracy against the invading orcs who want to destroy the whole world!
We are all happy to be treated as Zelensky’s hostages and slaves, not being able to leave the country and each day having a chance of being violently kidnapped off the streets and then sent to die on the frontlines or get tortured by our officers are only minor inconveniences.
Yeah yeah, “if we don’t kill you then Russia will”. Heard that one too many times from the good guys as well :)
Yet nobody was able to show me how people were wiped out in the liberated territories (Crimea, Melitopol, etc.), how millions of us living in Russia were wiped out, etc.
Again, you don’t get to make a surprised pikachu face when you are literally telling people whom you are trying to kill that they are Russian bots.
How can anyone in good faith support Zelensky, the bloodthirsty tyrant who turned my country into the biggest prison in the world where people are kidnapped off the streets, beaten, forced into vans and then sent to die in a meatgronder?
That’s a rhetorical question of course, I’ve heard the answer[s] so many times already, basically some version of “it’s a war so anything Zelensky does is absolutely normal/justifiable and it’s OK if you, your family and basically everyone you know dies, no big deal. No human rights apply to you, now please go and die fighting for my geopolitical interests”.
But you cannot make a surprised pikachu face after that and be shocked that people actually support the evil-evil Russia, which liberates people from the regime you support.
Thank you Mr. Zelensky for ensuring Ukraine stays free and independent country!
Shooting and droning people protesting against your rule and kidnappings lawful mobilization efforts is totally justified and democratic, because Ukraine is fighting for its survival and everybody who disagrees is an enemy of the free world and definitely deserves to be shot and droned!
- had wartime conscription, and 2) executed deserters
Neither of that is what I asked you for (come on, you even quoted my reply in you reply - “massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country”, and then you proceeded to give an example of a completely different thing (also awful, but completely different)).
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Or do you know better how conscription worked in the WWs off the top of your head?
I don’t. But surely you do, as you’re trying to portray what happens in Ukraine as normal, so I am asking you to tell me about it.
Okay, then surely you can show me a shittone of examples of such a massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country because they are needed as cannon fodder that happened in modern history (let’s say last two centuries)?
They were flying b-52 bombers in Ukraine to show their readiness to deploy nukes.
TIL, thanks
Both are effectively the same thing, a citizen pressed into service, against their will.
So “you cannot leave the country and will be kidnapped and forced to die a horrible death on the front lines” is the same as “you can freely leave the country but if you don’t you will have to do forced labour in military uniform for a year”.
Got it.
I can see I’m not going to succeed in changing your mind.
You are trying to tell me that it’s good (or at least justifiable/normal) that Zelensky wants to murder me, my friends my family and several million other people who happened to be born in Ukraine. Obviously you are not going to change my mind :/
Maybe look some stuff up. Especially when it comes to conditions in russia
What stuff are you suggesting me to loop up? While I personally never visited Russia, I have close friends from Russia, several others who visited it, so I know from “first-hand” sources what’s it like there… (More or less the same shithole as Ukraine, but without kidnapping and with ability to leave)
That’s literally what conscription means in legal terms
No. Conscription is you get summons and have to do military service (which is also totally wrong but a different thing). If you refuse you get sent to jail. You can simply leave the country if you don’t like that.
What happens in Ukraine is kidnapping random people off the streets (who are forbidden from leaving the country), putting them into vans and sensing them to die.
Conscription is done in preparation for “mass kidnappings of cannon fodder”, as you put it.
No?..
Russia has conscription but not kidnapping part and forbidding to leave the country part. So do many other countries.
You probably misunderstood what I meant :)
By not allowing people to escape I meant this: https://theconversation.com/why-banning-men-from-leaving-ukraine-violates-their-human-rights-178411
By kidnapping people off the streets I meant this (and well, hundreds of other sources): https://uadraftmuseum.ch/
So let me ask you once again, when someone frees people from that, what is a more appropriate word than liberation? :)