Theorist of the Fediverse. I run a chatroom focused on helping to build the foundations for the Fediverse to grow. Links are at the bottom of this doc.

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I think going multimedia might help, as long as it’s under the same brand. I’d say start with a central site similar to how WeDistribute was with articles, then begin linking to places like PeerTube or FunkWhale should we expand out (of course that’s very much a long-term consideration). But really it’s a matter of getting a central place, content, and the rest can be figured out.

I’m going to be slower responding on here, we also have a Discord bridge if you’re good via Discord. I don’t get any notifications for Lemmy but Matrix/Discord I do so it’s easier to communicate quicker.


Ah, that’s really disappointing to see. Communication with Sean has been rather slow but I’ll reach out again.


WeDistribute is the one backed by Feneas, so I guess it’s the closest to official so to speak. It looks like it’s down though. If you do decide to make one, I have some archived issues of a newsletter I periodically run that I can contribute.

Join us on Matrix and we can discuss the specifics: https://matrix.to/#/#collaboration-commons:matrix.org


None in my area. Might have to fix that.


I think this mentality is far too narrow and can lead to problems down the road. And it’s a dangerously common one among leftists. The bigger threat right now isn’t some sort of shadowy cabal of elites, it’s market-based logic, which can manifest through the little guy just as much as the big guy.

For example, I’m already seeing discussions of “ethical advertising” or “paying influencers” but this only raises more questions. How will we keep funding this model? What happens when we’re outcompeted by other sites like Twitter for ad revenue? After all why wouldn’t an advertiser pick the method which is more effective. Natural selection and administrative costs will slowly chip away at what distinguishes us.

The foundations you lay now play a role in determining your future. By refusing any form of commercialization, it forces us to innovate to cut costs. This could be cutting technological overhead as with PeerTube’s WebTorrent, it could be setting a foundation for promoting/getting content on the Fediverse which isn’t dependent on constantly having to pay people to switch over.

The blockchain-based and "free speech"platforms do exactly this and it’s why they all die so quickly. They may be little guys but they lack the patience/imagination to approach the issue in an organic fashion, end up trying to ape the big players, and never build a foundation strong enough to last. The market doesn’t think in moralistic terms, it doesn’t care how big or little you are, the only way out isn’t to compete on revenue-based grounds.

This is why I think it’s important that in these early discussions we continue to oppose all forms of monetization/strategies reliant on large and continuous spending. It sets up a vicious cycle that’s impossible to escape.


This isn’t something I think I can sum up easily in a Lemmy comment. @armoredgore@lemmy.ml, I can give you ideas and help you out either on Discord or Matrix


I think this is a good time to remind people: these sort of opportunities will often present themselves due to a combination of factors well beyond any fediverse user’s control. Trying to force them to occur is like trying to build a house out of unpacked sand, it’ll quickly fall apart.

What advocates need to do is to focus on building a solid foundation within the Fediverse so that these opportunities can be capitalized on more effectively each time. We don’t want it where people join then leave when the hype dies down, when they see a lack of content, or get annoyed with platform quirks. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of discourse tries to focus on marketing-first and assumes the rest will sort itself out. It’s the opposite actually.

Relating to the topic at hand though, I agree with Eugen. Direct people to other instances. Do not let mastodon.social’s downtime dissuade people. If anything, this might be a good opportunity to spread traffic across instances.


I think this is a good time to remind people: these sort of opportunities will often present themselves due to a combination of factors well beyond any fediverse user’s control. Trying to force them to occur is like trying to build a house out of unpacked sand, it’ll quickly fall apart.

What advocates need to do is to focus on building a solid foundation within the Fediverse so that these opportunities can be capitalized on more effectively each time. We don’t want it where people join then leave when the hype dies down, when they see a lack of content, or get annoyed with platform quirks. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of discourse tries to focus on marketing-first and assumes the rest will sort itself out. It’s the opposite actually.

Relating to the topic at hand though, I agree with Eugen. Direct people to other instances. Do not let mastodon.social’s downtime dissuade people. If anything, this might be a good opportunity to spread traffic across instances.


Some of the ones I’ve found with actual content on them have been TILvids and watch.breadTube.TV.


Added a link to the Lemmy in the “About CC” doc.


Start by messaging small creators (especially ones who discuss tech/decentralist politics), I’m talking servers which have under 200 members. There’s this tendency to shoot for the top first but you have to work your way up gradually. You’ll find you get more responses that way.


Currently only a YouTube link, since the PeerTube instance I'm on has gone down.
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I find it to be a very useful tool, I use it too. Only thing is just make sure you’re still interacting with mastodon and not just using it as a mirror of twitter.


Definitely. Feedback is appreciated.




There was a lot of buffering reported earlier on because there weren’t peers at the time. It seems to be picking up now.


This video is meant moreso to serve as a pitch to those who are already interested in promoting these values. The focus is really on giving more organization to free culture projects and initiatives. Really what’s needed more than anything else is drive, but if you have any skills or projects you’d like to share, let us know. If PeerTube isn't working, the video is also hosted on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyjdzkZZOHk
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This video is meant moreso to serve as a pitch to those who are already interested in promoting these values. The focus is really on giving more organization to free culture projects and initiatives. Really what’s needed more than anything else is drive, but if you have any skills or projects you’d like to share, let us know. If PeerTube isn't working, the video is also hosted on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyjdzkZZOHk
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This video is meant moreso to serve as a pitch to those who are already interested in promoting these values. The focus is really on giving more organization to free culture projects and initiatives. Really what's needed more than anything else is drive, but if you have any skills or projects you'd like to share, let us know. If PeerTube isn't working, the video is also hosted on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyjdzkZZOHk
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Invite link along with general info can be found at: https://rentry.co/about-cc If PeerTube isn't working, the video is also hosted on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyjdzkZZOHk
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IMO forking/pushing for an existing RSS reader to easily import federated accounts would be a better approach.


Making sure people participate
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Questions have been raised about how exactly we can get a community of people to go from just subscribing to actually helping out. Various proposals have come and gone, and I figured I'd throw in my two cents and also use this thread as an opportunity. The most common type of proposal I've seen has relied on some sort of paid marketing or financial incentives for contributors. In my view, this is a poor foundation to start with, as it gets people in this mindset that without money they can't do anything, and even if we had money, we'd just be encouraging people to only do things for money. As we've seen with all these other alternative social media sites, throwing money at the problem doesn't create organic communities. We have to incentivize by creating a sense of community and mutual accountability. Working on this should feel rewarding and fun, as if you're a part of something. In that sense, this initiative isn't just for the purpose of marketing but also a way of prefiguring the vision of the Open Web. The first step has been taken in that we have a [Discord/Matrix](https://lemmy.ml/post/146208) server which allows for closer and more real-time communication, but I do think it's time to take another step in ensuring people participate: tasking people. **In this thread, put down your skills and any ideas you have (if any). I (and hopefully other people in this thread) will try to come up with suggestions of what you can do. By tasking people and having them report on their progress here, that'll create a sense of accountability.** **If you're convinced you have no skills of use, doesn't matter, post anyways. What we need is engagement and commitment, and one of the biggest obstacles to that so far is people being convinced they're useless.**
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Issue with profit incentives is that it can often create perverse incentives. The best incentive IMO for the health of the project has to be the feeling of community/participation.

IMO what would go a long way is creating a doc going over simple ways people can help, and ensuring people get on the Discord/Matrix. Also, if you’re reading this and want to help, pick out a task and let us know. If not, feel free to ask for ideas.


I’d say the best way to target subcultural communities is to set up themed instances, in this case I imagine there’s probably some Mastodon instances which already exist targeting that demo. All you’d really have to do then is advertise those instances.


Sure, sounds like a good idea. If there’s some existing software to do this, I’d appreciate a link.

Even just having a Discord bot which handles RSS feeds and a way to convert Lemmy communities to RSS would be helpful.


IMO any such changes towards democratization would probably be best suited to a different Fediverse project entirely given how much it alters the structure of the genre of site Lemmy falls under.

I think the real lesson from the whole fiasco is that people shouldn’t place more political expectations on a subreddit than its capable of handling. Reddit/Lemmy has specific uses it’s good for, and things it’s not good at. Upvotes, subcommunities, and central moderation all contribute to the problems with Reddit but at the same time they stay because they’ve proven to be the most effective at doing what Reddit is built to do. Yet the unfortunate thing is that a lot of movements have begun using Reddit in ways it wasn’t meant to be used.

When it comes to making a sort of rallying point for things like what /r/antiwork was going after, IMO the whole structure of the site would have to be re-thought. And while I think we should begin with experimenting with platform design more, I don’t think it’s a good idea to burden platforms which were designed to act as direct alternatives to mainstream platforms with unnecessary features which may or may not work out.

So IMO, it’s better to work on theorycrafting an entirely separate ActivityPub project which isn’t constrained by Reddit-like design and can directly address the issues /r/antiwork was inherently facing from even before this interview.


Contacting the listed subreddits via modmail should be a good first step. If any of you would like me to whip up a template message for you to send, let me know. Reaching out doesn’t take long, it’s literally just sending a Reddit message and following up.


This community is under new leadership.
Hey, I'm the new admin here, given that the previous admin has left. The only major change I'm introducing to the community right now is that there's now a Discord/Matrix server to allow for more real-time communication, which will make collaboration on these initiatives a lot easier. [This thread](https://lemmy.ml/post/146208) goes more in-depth about the sort of direction I think we should take. If you'd like to contact me, you can either do so on the server or [via Mastodon.](https://mastodon.social/@tomat0) One other thing I'll quick mention is that I have another community going, [!selfpromo@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/selfpromo). If you have any of your own or know of a small fediverse creator's content, drop a link in the sub. Connecting creators with audiences I think is a good step towards fedivangelism.
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Help us Grow The Fediverse at the Official Discord/Matrix Server
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One of the biggest strengths of the fediverse (and free software) movements is how it brings people to collaborate and to spur that, we need spaces to organize. I see here and across the fediverse that people want to help out but don't know how. I've just started a set of Matrix rooms (with a bridged Discord server so that the chat platform doesn't get in the way of people wanting to participate) where people can do the following: - strategize on how to best promote the fediverse - collaborate on their free-culture/federated projects and find people to help - promote their own fediverse content, find fediverse creators to follow, and offer feedback to others' [The video](https://share.tube/w/1tGvezJtU4qQVtCPJRimGD) has been uploaded and the server is up. If you have any ideas, any ways you'd like to help, or just want to chat, join! I really do believe this is gonna be crucial to pulling off our task. Real-time chat is more personal and live so it's easier to collaborate and build a community. If you're interested, join here: - [Discord](https://discord.gg/yhEDkW3hry) - [Matrix](https://matrix.to/#/#collaboration-commons:matrix.org)
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Started a community for promotion of Fediverse content!
Hopefully by posting and engaging with each others' content, we can widen the content pool and audiences for the Fediverse, which is gonna be important towards growth. https://lemmy.ml/c/selfpromo
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Suggestions to Help Encourage Spreading Out
I think as a federated alternative to Reddit, it'd make more sense for the platform to treat instances more like "subreddits" rather than "Reddits". This'd encourage users to look beyond their home instance, spread out the traffic, and also have the individual communities complementing rather than competing with each other. Like for example, [Mander](https://lemmy.ml/post/59300) is an instance dedicated to the natural sciences, so it has a few boards which are related to that. After all, there's no point in federating if everyone is on lemmy.ml. It seems like this is the devs' intent to an extent, however, I think some tweaks to lemmy.ml could make it more apparent to people. We'd want the average user to discover and begin subbing to communities from across the federation. If each instance is catering to a specific niche, but all interacting with each other, then any instance can be a "default instance". As the closest thing to an "official" instance, I think there's a responsibility on us to ensure that people are checking out other instances. For the "Communities" browser, I think it'd help to include some communties from those sorts of themed instances, and add tag filters. Also have the default front page be on the "Federated" tab. Linking with a wider range of instances would help too, especially those which aren't as explicitly political-themed so the default feed has a wider appeal. Currently when I search "science" on the instance, it only shows results from two instances: this one and lemmygrad.ml. There's a lot of instances posted in [!announcements@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/announcements) which'd be great additions. Including stuff in the documentation about the sort of "instance as a subreddit" approach would help people to design their communities in a more effective way, since the gut reaction is to assume each instance is meant to offer the full Reddit experience.
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