Most dumb characters. Often I see them played they as intentionally disruptive, actively try to choose bad decisions, play stubborn and expect other players to force them into following any form of expected plot.

I’ve seen them played well, but when someone tells me they are playing a dumb character i usually find it more frustrating than fun and creative

+1 for Enderal. I liked it enough that I bought the writers standalone book. My friend and I played it at the same time. We both got the Enderal hangover and couldn’t start a story based game for weeks

Pathfinder (1st edition) was basically a cleaned up/ refined version of DND 3.5 Current versions of each system differ quite a bit more

DND 5e is much more user friendly and approachable system. Easier to learn and jump right in.

Pathfinder 2e is more complex, bit tougher to learn, but comes with a lot more options and flexibility.

Both give you similar experiences of playing DND, but the mechanics are different