Thanks for your comment. This is all very informative. I definitely haven’t seen it put together in such a concise way before.

But where do you draw the line between “capitalist roading” and “socialist development”? If you have market reforms along with the contradictions of private enterprise, how do you draw the distinction between the two? Do you just take the CCP at their word? That is a fair stance to take but it isn’t one that would be accepted by all, and especially not those affected by the downsides of such a deal with the devil.

This article is so bad I almost threw up, thanks a lot op

sorry, lol.

None of this is news

Maos turn to Nixon and the subsequent shitty foreign policy of China until 1979 (China hasn’t been to war since 1979) can basically be described as funding and arming whoever was anti-soviet

This was news to me. I knew of the Sino-Soviet split but I had no idea about the true scale of the animosity.

The Chinese have then stepped back into essentially full capitalist relations to avoid war with USA … They’ve done this strategically and pragmatically to bind the world economy to China, to avoid a capitalist coalition against it whilst also obtaining as much technology as possible to overtake them …

This, I take some issue with. I’d written somewhere else -

Yeah, I mean, just one article isn’t going to make me hate China or the CCP. But I guess the question is how much do we forgive/accept as necessary? Killing 100,000 Vietnamese communists? Funding Iraq/Afghanistan? Ties with Israel for the War on Terror? Hiring Erik Prince?

Clearly, the CCP has felt all of it is necessary/justified for the sake of developing China. But I bet the victims of these actions, maybe of whom are either communists themselves and/or are heavily oppressed by other Western imperialist powers, feel otherwise.

@space_comrade commented this -

What you mentioned here is something I hold against all ML states, the “ends justify the means” attitude tends to lead to quite a bit of excesses that are all nominally explained as necessary but how can they really be so sure of themselves?

So, like, idk.

On BRI and Africa:

They are becoming Anti-Imperialist by A) force of necessity now US has cross hairs on them and B) by undercutting Western imperialism with the Belt and Road initiative and loads to 3rd world at much better rates than IMF or World Bank as well as their debt forgiveness.

Yeah, I made a post about that earlier. The video states pretty clearly why African nations prefer China over the US. So, no arguments there.

On to Lausan, I don’t really have anything to add. I don’t know about them and there’s enough evidence that a lot of the HK riots/protests are funded/supported by the U.S. Same with the rest of the article (which you responded to). I found this article and wanted to have a discussion about the things it mentioned w.r.t. the Cold War and Chinese involvement in U.S. wars.

I’ll just say two things -

1. I’m reading Mutual Aid by Kropotkin right now, because I decided that I’m actually going to read theory and not just shitpost, and that was the first book on the sidebar.

2. I feel this site is a lot more outwardly hostile to anarchists than the subreddit was. It’s really irritating.

But yeah, kudos to you for this post. I hope mods/admins/superposters see this shit and start treating all leftists, regardless of ideology, better. If this site is meant to be a ML circlejerk, then pin that shit on c/main so everyone else can stray clear.