One mom said she cried for 10 days after hearing she was being removed from her daughter’s birth certificate.
Disgusting comments from some pro-lifers on this thread. Throwing this child into an orphanage when they had a stable family already is the anti-thesis of pro family doctrine. It’s hypocritical ultra right wing bigotry. All that remains of the right is their absolute hatred of the left. This really is the death of right wing majority governments. We saw their true colours during the January 6th capitol hill insurrection, during the BLM protests, during the Ukraine and Syria conflicts where Republicans teamed up with foreign enemy governments and during Obama’s presidency.
These are the kinds of people who go to a book club meeting every Sunday for a book that clearly non of them have ever read.
It’s insane that ultra-right fascists (in Italy and America at least) always define themselves as “Christian.”
Christ would flip tables on them and pull out his whip
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The idiots are no longer ashamed of being stupid.
See this is what happens when you go to long without hanging all the fascists. Every 50 years or so you have to round them all up and find a gas station.
Out just talk about them never with them.
Dude, you’re not much better if you write comments like this. Chill out man.
I don’t want to be better, I want to be alive. These people want to destroy minorities. It is SELF DEFENCE for everyone that is a member of a minority group and everyone that supports minorities to want to destroy fascists.
None of this would be a fucking problem if you people actually did something about them in advance for once. Socialists recognise the need for re-education as a means of correcting when various parts of the population are going down the wrong path but liberals time and time again completely ignore the problem until it is too late plunging countries into conflict. You don’t do jack shit until the only solution is violence when in reality it could be solved non-violently much much earlier if you acknowledge that these people need putting through rehabilitation facilities.
The fact of the matter is that it’s already too fucking late for that. Both in america and in several other countries. The only option now is the inevitability of things progressing until violence.
Bear in mind that in fascism, the only majority is the person at the top. The circle always shrinks as far as it can to make the in group smaller and the our group larger.
All the fascist apologists and deniers who think “well I’ll be safe” don’t understand this and don’t see that the circle will eventually cut them out.
In the real world, evil must be met with appropriate force. Not every “right” action is covered in flowers and rainbows, sometimes you have to do hard, unlikeable things because otherwise people trying to change the world for the worse will succeed. You can’t give fascists a slap on the wrist.
Just checking; in your opinion those hard unlikeable things should not be someone’s first choice, and should be nearer to a last resort, correct?
Nope. Fascists need to be executed before they get the power to hang everyone else.
Won’t somebody think of the poor fascists?? T_T
This sounds really bad and I’m afraid it’s even worse than it sounds. For example, end of 2022 Italy introduced a law which bans certain types of harmless assemblies (rave parties) of more than 50 people (participants can be put to jail for up to 6 years). This is paving the road for cutting possibilities of people to protest against their government. (Imagine, there is a a protest and somebody plays music. The government will see a rave party.) Yet the Italian government seems to have no problem with 3000 neofascists visiting the hometown of Mussolini. And now this.
This isn’t completely true. The right of assembly is a constitutional right in Italy within small limits (the assembly must be peaceful, without firearms, and requires a notice to local authorities if it uses a public space, see art. 17.
Now, I don’t believe that a rave party falls within those protections as it isn’t protected speech (and I don’t believe there is a place where it is).
Italy will continue to have protests and marched, usually with music because Italy.
I think the argument is more that the government could use these laws to categorise a protest with music (lawful) as a rave (unlawful) and arrest those involved, thus discouraging further protests.
nah
I appreciate it’s a bit of a slippery slope argument, I was just clarifying the parent comment’s argument. I’m not sure how much your retort adds to the argument though.
It isn’t a slippery slope if you are on it, it is just a slope.
I really hope so.
I’m curious if you feel the same way about Italy and nearly every other country already banning protests because “it’s for yours or others safety” like they dd when they passed extremely Draconian covid policies.
And this is not hypothetical. Police didn’t allow people to manifest against the gov.
What you say is bad, but it I hope people would be consistently appalled. Not just partisan based.
Facists announcing that they will oppress minorities when they’re being voted into power.
Gets voted into power. Oppresses minorities.
People
Under current Italian law, the member of a same-sex couple who is not legally recognized as a child’s parent could lose custody if the legally recognized parent dies or the relationship ends.
Shameful, hateful shit. What the hell Italy.
I’m gonna admit to doing the reddit thing where I read the title and the comments and start to form an opinion.
Reading your comment, I thought Hmm, well, that doesn’t seem too unreasonable. Should a new partner in a separated-parents-scenario really have a claim on custody? Well, reading the actual article where same-sex couples get married and have children get the birth certificate retroactively changed to not include one of the parents is a whole different story.
Shameful, hateful shit. What the hell Italy.
Yeah, I’m with you. What the actual hell.
Gotta do something to distract from the abject poverty the government has driven the country into over the last 30 years. Back then, Italy was about as wealthy as Germany and France.
Elected fascists doing elected fascist things. Spain is going to be like this soon enough as well, maybe together they will roll the welcome mat for Putin as well.
Spain? That’s extremely disappointing. Spain was my backup plan if the United States decides to do a genocide. I guess it’s Canada now?
Italy was mine…
No dude, they’re not fascists, they’re socialists. Social media says everyone in Europe is to the left of America
Left and right are artificial, meaningless constructs, and I will never get tired of saying that. Reality is complex, but people are idiots. If there is any political division, it is more along the lines of the parties that try to follow their political goals within the structure of their constitution and design of their governments, and those that don’t mind breaking it to achieve their goals.
you have to be sub-human trash to be ok with this
right-wing political parties have '‘be sub-human trash’ written in their manifesto and yet people vote them into power.
From the article “Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, leader of the far-right Brothers of Italy party, made anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric a cornerstone of her campaign for office. She opposes allowing same-sex couples to adopt as well as marriage quality, calling civil union “good enough” for LGBTQ+ couples.”
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It’s not enough to carve out a portion of your sovereignty for the kid diddler cult to have a golden castle city guarded by foreign mercenaries, you also have to listen to their stances on parenthood, which they are, surely, experts, in.
It’s not enough to carve out a portion of your sovereignty for the kid diddler cult
Huh, TIL the Catholic Church had lost all its territory to Italy and then later was granted some back (by Mussolini, no less) instead of having continuous sovereignty stemming from the Papal States and predating a unified Italy itself.
That’s the second time in two days that I’ve been about to “ackchyually” somebody but ended up learning something myself instead. I’m getting more and more impressed with the quality of discussion here on Lemmy.
Wow that was haunting to read. How much they hurt these people that just want a family is sickening.
look at their history. the cruelty is the point.
earlier, i wrote a comment saying not to use fascism to hate humanity; at the same time, the fact that fascists are also human is something we have to acknowledge so we can stop our loved ones from falling into it
The thought that keeps me sane through this is believing that the pendulum swings both ways. We have to accept that there are people who like this, and I’m going to hate them for it, but opposition will always exist.
On the whole (a long time) things in society have improved and they’ll continue to improve over time. It might just be our lot to have a shit round.
Except for climate change. That’s existential.
It’s maddening to watch all of the progress made around the world getting pushed back for no good reason aside from making a minority of the population uncomfortable—with their beliefs being based on lies and misinformation.
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The thing is, they are only uncomfortable with it because some fascist politician is telling them to be uncomfortable with it. I am a same-sex married person with children. When people are face-to-face with a regular person like myself who happens to be married to someone of the same gender and has kids, most people actually have very little problem with it. But then some politician feeds them lies, lies that are then propagated on Facebook or Twitter, and suddenly they have an issue with the concept.
What is happening in Italy terrifies me. It’s terrifying because it is the same slippery slope Russia went down and the same slippery slope we’re heading down in the USA. We’re watching it happen in real time with kids who are transgender. The GOP is not stopping there. They have already shown they are a full-on fascists. They will not stop until the USA is their authoritarian utopia.
This is EXACTLY my biggest worry and frustration. We are seeing a large group of people who think the way they are told to think and believe what they are told to believe. Unquestioningly.
These people cannot be reasoned with or educated when it comes to the subjects in question…
… except at the same time they’re completely different when talking to individuals from the targeted groups face to face. I see it every day. For instance railing about something LGBTQ+ related from Faux Newz then greeting a friend and his husband 15 minutes later.
It’s mind boggling: not just the behavior but the number of people who are so gullible.
It’s the last desperate lashing out of the old beast.
People have been saying the “last so and so” or the death roll, or the movement is dying out by attrition. I just wish I had your optimism. I mean I did, but as I grew (in 40s now), I noticed that the numbers don’t matter when you have power and a plan. Just keep your opposition from organizing properly by controlling the message and manufacturing outrage for the supporters to talk about instead of actually problems. The media sells their story to make money and also distract from the real problems (their owners).
Did the average person hear about the Senate hearings during covid? The oil execs that stated their board of directors only care about making record breaking profits during the pandemc, instead of trying to alleviate the burden on the general population. They probably wanted a yacht for their yacht. Can’t let a good opportunity to make money go to waste. It’s actually against the CEOs fiduciary obligation to the board to not make as much money as possible. Even if they have to factor in payouts for a faulty product that kills someone the life cost doesn’t matter, legal, the only obligation is fiduciary.
Sure we have the “numbers,” but the numbers don’t matter too much when the system is set up to be run by a smaller group of people that just have to keep others out and confuse the majority by making news harder to shift through.
I certainly hope we’re seeing it dying. It will never completely go away, but we can hope it dwindles to the point where it has no power.
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It’s the religious that should have their children taken. Forcing a child into an insane cult is abuse.
The child is not taken away. The non-biological mother loses her status as a parent, but the biological mother is still registered as the child’s mother.
This does mean, however, that if the biological mother dies the state may take the child away from the non-biological mother.
Right so they are equal except some are more equal than others.
I’m sure you understand this already, but your idea is politically and morally equivalent to what’s happening in the article. Everyone has the right to freedom of religion.
edit: Strange that people become like this when told that religious people deserve protections as a minority or protected class. I’d hoped to leave new athiest cringe behind at spez’s place but apparently you can’t have everything.
While I agree with you I’d also like to see freedom from religion. Very few people choose religion, they’re indoctrinated as children
It is ironic that there should be freedom of religion when religion is the one taking freedom away
Not really, Christianity in the US was and continues to be a corporate funded endeavour. That doesn’t make the belief system inherently bad, it’s like most things that have been corrupted by moneyed interests.
edit: spelling, grammar.
Structured belief systems led by a man wearing entirely gold while telling everyone to follow the teachings of Christ is bad though. It’s meant to control, specifically women and children.
That’s something I learned from reading too many books about WWII. It all started with the little things. What’s that “first they came” quote again?
First they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.You know what’s ironic about that quote, especially in the context of this thread? The group who they really came for first was the LGBTQ, not the Communists. Even in the act of lamenting his failure to speak out, Niemöller failed to speak out about them.
Another related “fun” fact: the very first NAZI book burnings “included around 20,000 unique works on intersexuality, homosexuality, and transgender topics” from the Institute of Sex Research.
The nazis absolutely came first for the communists, as that was literally part of their rise to power, blaming the communists for the Reichtagsbrand and jailing members of the KPD and SPD so they couldn’t vote against the proposal to give the NSDAP full control.
Alternatively, the NSDAPs founding program 10 years earlier contained “revocation of the german citizenship of jews” as a main point, though they didn’t have the ability to do much at the time.
The group who they really came for first was the LGBTQ
Thats still not really taught in german schools (or at least mine) even though we have this subject at least a whole year in history class.
And whats also not taught is that the more that ten thousand gay people that were thrown in KZs were only rehabilitated in 2001 and those that were sentenced after 1945 in 2017. After the Nazi regime was over the persecution of queer people did not just stop.
Yet another proof that religion doesn’t help anyone
All you need for evil to prevail is “good boundaries.”
And so it motherfucking begins 🤦
Where have you been for like the entire Berlusconi administration
My opinion is that state and law should not care about sex of a parent or partner. Just to guarantee us all the same rights.
My other option is that this is quite bad news article (thou that might not be news site, so it is not on them, but on us) since there are a lot of opinions but is hard to find any facts in it.
What exactly is the law? Who exactly is who? What are the consequences, practical not only emotional? This is raising fear levels, but I am not certain what to fight against (except whole Italian government).
Italy: Women’s role are to raise children.
Also Italy: No, not these women!
Shan-Yu: How many women does it take to raise a child?
Archer: *pulling the bow string* One.
Ok well I was never planning on going to Italy anyway. Sounds like a real shit hole.
That is sick. Absolutely sick.
