This whole section is glowy.

This is a right wing 4chan term with racist history, for your future reference.

I don’t give af that you don’t give af.

You literally asked what I wanted to be done about gun culture. I think you are losing track of what we are even talking about because you’re preoccupied with me, personally.

I’m sorry to be the one to tell you this but the nations conditions doesn’t care about your feelings on this matter when clearly the cultures and conditions formed under them need to be infiltrated by

You’re describing, vaguely, tailism and entryism. This nearly always fails and you’re not going to be the exception. I don’t think you understood my point, either. I’m happy to clarify.

The Left, which has historically been militant and armed, needs a return to that and we happen to be in one of the nations with a pro-gun culture that needs to be seized by the Left and oppressed communities.

Like I said, arms are a tool. You are very focused on one tool among many necessary tools. It’s as if someone came up to you and said that holding rallies was the issue, people on the left just don’t hold enough rallies, historically we had lots of them, so we are the rally holders, send us all your info!

Now, I do think that arming is essential, but it has to be with everything else, it must be a part of major formations. And at this stage, infosec and opsec are a more valuable tool than learning how to shoot a stationary target real well, and your target-shooting club is doing bad infosec even though it doesn’t need to be. This is not an either-or, which you have mistakenly assumed. But your priorities are reversed.

Literally every single organization since the Bolsheviks kept membership lists to keep in contact with people.

The Bolsheviks were arrested and forced into hiding for years, in part facilitated by these practices. They did not sufficiently prepare for the terror. They then adopted quite different practices with cells and false names and some very nice crimes. Though I should note that I mentioned this as a similarity between your org and SRA, a liberal anticommunist org with which you compared yourselves.

Your obsession with this is counter to history, efficiency and material reality.

Now I’m obsessed! The theatrics and escalation continue!

PS lists are an essential part of organizing. Square that with your narrative. How could I possibly think this, you must ask.

As someone who heads the topic of infosec & OPSEC, has wrote about it, and teaches people about it, I say this firmly when I say you have not even the slightest idea what you’re talking about here. There is almost nothing you can get from that photo or any of our content because we go through a rigorous process to keep it that way.

Your “About” page lists a city and state and your front page shows a specific indoor range. I could likely find that location with 1 local person and a couple days.

We are a national org who are building cells and training people outside our primary state. The Maoist “form a local cell and build from there” doesn’t work in conditions of this size and stature

This doesn’t make sense. You don’t have cells if this is how you recruit. This information is clearly central and little care has gone into it.

The idea of forming a local group and growing from there is hardly unique to Maoists. I have no idea what you are trying to reference. Nor do I know what you mean by conditions or stature. Are you referring to material conditions or something else? It can be difficult to tell whether you are using jargon incorrectly or being vague.

PS I know very well how little it takes to call one’s org a national org. What are the chances one of you moved and wanted to keep the work up?

As we have done before because of our involvement across the US, “normal organizing” isn’t just the fancy idea you have in your head

I have no idea what this means.

its everything that organizes people online and offline to do events, build programs, fight for victories people want, and so on.

I am telling you to organize through direct, in-person, organizing conversations. Every competent communist org does internal trainings on how to do this. I am contrasting this to advertising to collect PII, given the nature of your org to attract attention. In order to have organizing conversations, you need to get people to meet with you. For this to be meaningful, you need to embed in community, authentically, which is the polar opposite of atomized internet fishing for contacts. Because the actions you organize have to be locally relevant and be something that can build into some definition of mass support.

We have far more skin in the game than you think and I’m not here to appeal to a random who came at us negatively.

You have plenty of the skin in the game just by being reckless. This was never in question. But it remains careless.

“who came at us negatively” oh dear.

We aren’t a communist party, we aren’t running for elections or local boards - we aren’t limited in how we present ourselves or do the liberal “polite politics,” we are militant and keep it that way.

So, you have no discipline. No concept of organized and consistent external messaging, people just say what they want when they want and consequently this thread is how you end up conversing with people and representing yourselves.

This approach is actually what liberals and anarchists subscribe to, focusing on this freedom for the individual over the collective project. This works fine for them because they aren’t a threat to the capitalist order, they can hem and haw all they’d like and the feds actually love that they spend so much time on pointless infighting. And communists tend to recognize the value of discipline.

The organization has discipline, yes, but this is solely, as one of the heads of leadership, my response to you.

You just described how it doesn’t have external messaging discipline, then said it does have discipline, and are now trying to tell me that you are only representing yourself and not your org? Amazing.

I have the same tone and approach given to me by both the old Leninist vanguard who taught me and the veterans I’ve been around and organized with against war.

Hanging out, seemingly without shame, with war criminals may explain the interest in tailism.

I don’t personally care about your tone, it doesn’t affect me except when I laughed at a few things, but as I have repeatedly said, it suggests an unseriousness and dysfunction that mean people should stay far away from your organization.

PS calling yourselves Leninists but not being part of a communist party is strictly incoherent.

I don’t know you, you came at us harsh, and you’re upset I matched energies.

I did not come at you harsh and I am not upset. You have the ways that we are coming across reversed, in fact. I provided valid criticism and, sure, did not qualify it with praise or guesses about good faith efforts, and you have responded defensively: escalatory, irrationally, losing track of the conversation, spreading falsehoods about my positions. My audience in my first comment was not you at all, but the readers, because this site has many unorganized people who might not spot the recklessness. They would be much better-served by joining a larger communist party and independently learning to shoot.

And as I said earlier, there is literally nothing to distinguish you from a comrade or a cop; and I’ve dealt with plenty online & offline people, and factions in my previous organization, to know who is genuine and who gives off weird ass vibes.

Do you believe that petty and baseless personal attacks will make people think your organization is serious and trupointless