Hey all. My employer offers many stock benefits through RSU, ESPP, and options. I try to max out my ESPP and as a result my non retirement holdings are heavily skewed towards my employer’s stock. I’m trying to diversify and not worry about timing the market, but what do I need to consider when it comes to timing sales of the stock to avoid wash sales? Currently we are down from the highs a 2 years ago. Should I worry about wash sales relative to timing of various acquisition dates? What am I losing by making a wash sale? Thanks.

  • Fleamo@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I don’t know the rules about wash sales but surely you could just buy S&P 500 index funds to truly diversify. Only thing to consider for ESPP is that you get taxed at the income tax rate (probably higher) if you sell ESPP funds you received within 12 months, and you get taxed as capital gains (probably lower) for anything held longer. So sell the longer-held stock first.

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      1 year ago

      That’s what I do. But if you sell at a loss within x days of acquiring more of the security, I think you lose tax benefits of the loss. But I am not sure if that is a significant worry or if it should prevent or delay when I choose to diversify into index funds.

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        1 year ago

        Not a CPA, this is my understanding of the wash sale.

        Let’s say you buy your company’s stock is currently trading at $100. You buy some shares at a discount, for $85, and hold them for a year, to leverage long term capital gains.

        It is now December 2024, it turns out the stock has dropped in value and is now worth $80. You want to buy more to take advantage of the discount, and because you think it is likely underpriced. However you are worried that buying more will give you too much exposure to this single stock. A move you could do is sell the stock you owned, for $80, and buy back some stock, for $68 (since you get a discount). You could buy potentially the same amount you disposed of, ending up with the same value dollar-wise, but more stocks. Or maybe you have shares that are automatically bought through a pre-set plan.

        Now this is when you trigger the wash sale. The wash sale rule doesn’t say you can’t do this, but it does say that if you do this, you cannot claim the loss on your taxes (in this case, the $5 loss arising from selling stock at $80 that you acquired for $85). What this means is that this loss will be added back to the cost basis of the new stocks you purchased for $68, giving you a cost basis of $73, and an unrealized gain of $7, as opposed to an unrealized gain of $12. So even though you can’t claim the loss now, your realized profit later on will be $5 less, and you will eventually get the tax benefit. (I am looking at IRS publication 550, wash sale section).

        Basically, you can buy and sell all you want (from the IRS’ point of view. Your employer might have restrictions on holding periods and so forth), you just can’t use that strategy to lower your tax bill artificially.

        On a side note, diversifying away from your employer’s stock can be good, because otherwise you double down on your risk. If your company is doing well, your portfolio increases, and your job is likely safe. If your company is not doing too well, you may lose your job at the same time as your portfolio taking a significant dip

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    1 year ago

    I hold mine for 1 year then sell at the current price no matter what, then buy S&P 500.

    My logic is that while my company gives me a 15% discount and pays a 4% dividend so long as the company does not lose more than roughly 19% a year I come out ahead. That said, I have a rolling $25,000 in stock and my job with that company so I am eager to diversify.