The entire userbase of the Fediverse is a rounding error for Meta. We aren’t significant.
True, I think Threads got 10 millions subscribers in 7 hours.
i read earlier today that they’re up to 30m
I wonder how many of those are bots
At least 7.
As much as possible, corporate interest and action on social media needs to be exposed and dismantled. Capitalism is inherently antisocial and comes with a bunch of social hierarchies and unquestionable “accepted” inequalities embedded within. Plus I don’t enjoy trawling through miles of boring carbon copy jokes and endless attempts at edgy right-wing tinged “humour”. The cancerous spread of fascistic “freedom of speech” culture that defies the logic of the concept destroyed reddit.
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Letting Facebook have any sort of success in Lemmy is such a bad idea, they burn everything they touch.
Yes please defederate this shit and leave us alone
Defederate from, and anybody who federates with Meta. Fuck Meta/Zuck, they are enshittification incarnate.
Absolutely. Defederate and boycott instances that federate with meta
Threads does not really want or care about our tiny userbase. They want the normies and they want to OWN most of the marketshare of this protocol
Tbh I’m seeing a lot of Mastodon instances Admins saying they wont defederate Threads straight away; they want to see what Meta does/demands of all over instances first. The instance I’m part of (Fosstodon) is also doing the “wait and see” tactic.
BUT I strongly suspect most will end up defederating with Threads within a week due to Meta’s shit moderation and attempts to bully other, larger instances into giving them privacy info.
Wtf. What possible good thing do they expect to see from meta?
People. Most of the people using Threads are not garbage just because Meta is.
I’ll likely be personally blocking the entire instance the day they connect with ActivityPub.
Ehhhhhhhh yeah they can stay over there. Totally free to join us here though, separately, on another account. They are the dark side, with the cookies and all. We have beans. Better nutrition.
I mean Threads isn’t even starting in the EU yet, bc they can’t comply with the GDPR. Nothing good can come of this.
most of the people are not garbage
Guess what? Neither are most people on FB and Twitter, but it’s allowing the garbage minority to have free reign that make those platforms unbearable.
I can guarantee that the same will happen with Threads sooner or later since it’s the same corporation with the same company-wide priorities that allowed FB to become a breeding ground for fascism.
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I think Zuck underestimates how disgusting his userbase behaves. I really don’t want to read the shit I had to flee from back in the day.
I think he knows, he just doesn’t care, as he probably benefits from it. 🤷
I don’t think Threads need the fediverse to survive or thrive.
And correct me if I’m wrong but I think Mastodon’s biggest instances don’t mind federating with Threads.
Why on earth would they be interested in federating with meta??
A lot of them are taking a “let’s give them a chance” stance which is fucked because we have over a decade of social media history as to why they’ve already spent that chance and cannot be trusted. There’s also the fact of Meta meeting with Mastodon instance admins and having them sign NDAs if they agree to talk.
I won’t be on an instance that federates with them, personally.
There is more then a century of proven ‘companies lie for profit and will do anything upto and including global genocide to increase their bottom dollar’
Never trust a company when they provide their goals.
This just keeps getting worse and worse.
Is there any mention of which instances have committed to NOT federating with Meta?
yeah him and his 30 million users
*70 million as of this evening
Edit: providing source https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-07/meta-s-threads-has-70-million-signups-surprising-zuckerberg
Honestly one needs to look at the economic ensentives in order to understand metas goals.
Meta does not make any money from content on the federverse. Therefore, they have no reason to support its growth or future. In fact I would go as far as to say that they actually are going to try and EEE.
They aren’t going to try to EEE. ActivityPub was just an easy protocall to build off of quickly. They don’t care about the fediverse. They have almost zero incentive to waste effort trying to destroy it, plus it’s open source, so worst case we just fork it and move on.
ActivityPub was just an easy protocall to build off of quickly
If they didn’t want to federate, they wouldnt have a need for ActivityPub or any kind of similar protocol.
EEE means embrace, extend, extenguish. It’s to say they’ll start using it, extend it so they are required to continue using it, then stop supporting it or actively kill it. It has nothing to do with federation, whether they do or don’t.
I know that, but if that’s not the goal, then what else do they hope to achieve by implementing ActivityPub? It means they plan to federate with the larger fediverse, and you can bet that there’s a carefully calculated business reasoning behind it.
They likely used it because most of the work is already done. They could quickly turn around a new app as they notice Twitter fucking up, rather than starting from scratch. It already exists, works, and is tested.
You’re not getting my point - if federation wasn’t the goal, they wouldn’t even need anything like ActivityPub. It’s a protocol to allow different servers to talk to each other in a way that is just not necessary and way too much overhead if you’re planning to have an insular solution controlled by just a single entity anyway. Picking it as the protocol for internal-only communication between your own servers would simply be a very questionable architectural choice, Meta’s Engineers know better than that. Threads already works without supporting ActivityPub, so it’s obviously not needed for making the app run. Them also working on supporting ActivityPub is just creating an additional, public interface in order to connect to the fediverse, which they otherwise simply wouldn’t need to do.
Just noticed another possible confusion: ActivityPub is just a protocol, a definition of how servers can talk to each other. There’s no ready-made implementation that Meta could be using to get a headstart, they are most definitely developing their own implementation of it. So even if they were actually using it without wanting to federate, the only thing they’d be saving on is designing their own protocol, but that’s not really beneficial because then they’ll have to deal with a protocol that wasn’t actually made for their use case and according to their specific needs.
What do you mean by EEE?
Thanks!
My mom has an account and I just… [sigh]
Wasn’t there just a post about how all instance admins can access user action logs from all instances?
Would this potentially allow meta to grab info on users based on their upvote/downvotes? I’m pretty sure my email is linked to my account here, and it’s not a far jump to link it to any other accounts I use it for to build a profile depending on the data available.
Meta might already be secretly running any number of existing instances. For that matter, someone else you don’t trust definitely already is.
I guess that’s the ultimate trade off with social media. There is no expectation of privacy and no way to avoid the corporations looking to influence you to make a buck.
I love that we have options but I hate the direction the internet as a whole is going. It makes me sad when I think too much about it.
idk why they are logging and how much amount of information they are logging but atleast they aren’t selling that to the third parties or using that for personalized advertisements.
That’s the thing, we don’t know that. We have to go on their word and look how that has turned out in the past.
Reddit said no API changes and then they change the API, Facebook said they secure our data, and then the Cambridge analytics scandal came to light, Equifax told us that they could be trusted with our most personal credit information and they had a huge data breach.
The fediverse is going to be new to a lot of people, such as myself, who don’t yet fully understand the ins and outs of how it works. It’s my understanding that it’s open source, but I unfortunately don’t have the competencies to review code and see where every piece of data is going and what is actually logged. I have heard of some websites being transparent with the data that’s logged, but there’s no guarantee that they’re telling the whole story.
All that being said, I’m always happy when there’s a decentralized version of a service that people can use as an alternative.
It’s my understanding that it’s open source, but I unfortunately don’t have the competencies to review code and see where every piece of data is going and what is actually logged.
I am a beginner software engineer and I kinda have no clue about many parts of the source code too, but one thing I could notice is that there are lot’s of people that are actively contributing to the source code. I hope if lemmy tries something funny, the open source contributers would be the first people to call it out.
I wish all instances did. Sadly some have a growth mindset bigger than their own ego and don’t mind the Zuck’
Until they are killed by the zuck
Or until their quality users will leave
What instance hasn’t defederated from threads honestly
Fucking Mastodon
Fosstodon had the balls to not sell out
Also Meta has not federated yet but said they will in the future so any “defederation” from instances is just a declaration of future plans since there is nothing to cut off yet
My instance hasn’t defederated from anywhere. This is exactly why I chose vlemmy
exploding-heads even? Yikes
I don’t know what they did but I want to be in control of what I get to see. Unless it’s anything illegal I’d rather not let someone else choose for me
Damn… I did not know Threads was going to be part of the fediverse. I only just found this unspoiled corner of the internet, I’d like it to stay as is please!
