Hello everyone! First of all, I’d like to say thank you to every one of you for your support! Our community is about to be the first user-made one to reach 1K users/week on this instance. And our friends over at Ask Lemmy and Mildly Infuriating are following very closely, which is just as amazing!
We’re all working together to establish healthy communities and a friendly atmosphere here. And over at !NoStupidQuestions, we believe that all our members should have a say in what we do & how we do it.
Do you see anything wrong with our rules? Would you like anything removed and/or added? Do you think Rule 6 is useful and good for the community? Do you want a discord server or a matrix chat room?
Please feel free to ask any questions you might have & share your suggestions and ideas!
With Love,
!NoStupidQuestions Mod Team
I’m not on lemmy.world, but I’d just like to say that im always sad when I see communities using Discord for communication. It’s the exact opposite of lemmy. And if one considers the current Reddit measures as harsh, they are pretty soft compared to Discords stance on such matters. Information that goes in there is basically lost. So go the entire way with Matrix.
We did! You can join our matrix chat room by following directions at our sidebar :)
Do you want a discord server or a matrix chat room?
Matrix.
We actually do have an experimental one on matrix! On fluffychat to be more specific. Would you like to join before it’s established fully? Still trying to work things out
Sure. I added my Matrix handle to the profile which you can see by clicking
Send secure message.Will do! You can also put in the link #nostupidquestions:matrix.org on the search bar.
Stupid question, couldn’t resist. On Jerboa, I am not seeing the link to the rules. Gonna look around a bit more.
On the community page, click on the up right 3 dots, then community info.
Hello there! On our community page, open the menu on top right. You can view our rules by selecting “Community Info” :)
Yes, give me buttons for /subscribed and whatever the other one is. Also, I miss the dopamine rush of that notification counter going up.
Excited to be here! The rules look good. I suspect rule 5 is the most important and also the one that will get tested the most.
Don’t try to negotiate with bad actors. Just fucking kick them.
Thank you. Welcome aboard! :)
no complaints thus far, interesting take on the what is/ask forum. I like to look at & occasionally answer
Rule 6 seems useful and almost needed for any community, barring any abuse of the tag obviously.
The rules seem good to me, including Nr 6. I also like it that you are looking out for your community and want to provide a great atmosphere here.
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All the rules seem reasonable to me, I think #6 is good to have & fine the way it’s written. Just joined Lemmy a few days ago, so still acclimatizing.
I don’t think removing hateful people will be as big of an issue as it was on reddit though, since the mod log is public by default, and it’s more likely they’ll just be all driven back into a defederated hiding place somewhere.
We agree with you margot robbie. Lemmy.world in general has policies that prevent toxicity sitewide.
It’s a very delicate balance to mod, you want people to feel free to express their different opinions without getting their comments instantly removed, but you also want to keep the assholes who only comes to upset people out (a small minority, for sure, but they should not feel welcome to spew their venom everywhere).
I’d say rules are ultimately just guidelines, but you should always be flexible, but fair with the rules, and then people will stay here.
Congratz!! Amazing to see this growth.
Rules look fine to me, I also appreciate a lot that you’re asking the community <3
Thank you! We’ve all seen what toxic moderators meant back in Reddit. Whatever they did to put themselves first and hurt their users, we should be doing the exact opposite here. :)
I think rule 7 needs to be updated a little bit; that is how Reddit started banning people for hating on Nazis
Rule 7 has been updated.
The wording can be modified a bit. Saying “any group or any of our members in ANY way” gives it a rather broad meaning, which I can see could be maliciously interpreted if somebody wanted to. We could just define the banned behavior in clearer words instead. Thanks for the suggestion.
You are welcome, that is exactly how I got banned from Reddit lol
While I aggree: This is not a trivial problem.
I don’t quite understand what you mean, I wasn’t saying it was trivial.
No, I mean it will be hard to clearly define what is allowed and what not. Yes, we don’t want Nazis. But the defintion of what a Nazi is, is not a precise thing.
It will take some workshopping, but I think even putting in a “except hate groups” or something like that would work. It would have to be worded better than just that, but it would also stop undesirable subreddits from moving here which I think most people can agree is a good thing. And by undesirable I mean places like redpill, Chodi, or NoNewNormal(even thought they are all banned theses are good examples of the type of behaviour that should not be protected.)
I don’t think the definition has to be limited to one thing. We just went with a broader definition that restrict certain type of behavior mainly seen in those kind of people, and made it known that they are exempt from all rights(=will be banned) in this community.
If it looks like a Nazi, and walks like a Nazi, punch it in the fucking face.
Personally I would address the wording around rule 5. As it stands, it basically just sounds like the lead mod is going “I reserve the right to control the political climate of this community.”
I think if you simply elaborated a little more in the description of the rule, and possibly provided examples, it would help allay these fears.
Let’s get off on a good, professional footing that inspires seriousness and trust in our userbase, though, instead of a funnier one that encourages goofing off and trolling.
edit: added a couple words
Rule 5 has been updated to be more specific.
Sweet. I would say that new language is very clear and will be difficult for anyone to misunderstand. Thank you.
Improve the default themes. The dark theme is so hard on the eyes, it’s likely to turn away people whose first impression is that. It needs to have a more legible font choice against that background, as is it’s a strain on the eyes. The white theme is pretty good.
We are not developers.
Oh, are you talking about our community banner?
Speaking about the CSS used in the dark theme. Am I the only one who finds it tough to read? 🤔
Oh haha. I think it’s fine to be honest. Did you try the different dark theme options?
Yeah. If I’m the only one, nvm. I almost didn’t bother with Lemmy when someone first recommended it because I was all “mein eyes!”
Haha damn :D how do you like the atmosphere though? I think it’s really friendly and a fresh breath!
That’s on developers, I don’t think there are features that allow mods to have custom CSS for their subs like reddit does.
I agree the dark theme is not very pretty on the eyes, mods can’t change it but users can, I’ve seen some people saying they’re working on custom themes users can use, I’m sure we’ll have lots of options soon.
Rule 2. Get rid of and/or and just use or. https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/effective-writing/what-about-andor/. I don’t feel like finding the section in Strunk’s Elements of Style.
Rule 8 suggested text: All comments must be relevant to their parent post or comment. Sometimes a comment can raise a topic worth discussing that isn’t related to the main post. It is easy enough to just collapse it if you aren’t interested.
No Discord. I would go old school and put up an IRC server or use Matrix.
Rule 6. I would require troll questions to be tagged instead of serious questions. Having to specify that you want to use the community for its intended purposes goes against the spirit of the idea that people can ask anything without fear of judgement.
I would get rid of rule 7. Positive communities could sway these individuals away from that stuff. Any bad behavior is already covered by the no sea lioning and no harassment rules.
Rules 2 & 8 have been addressed along with some other updates to the draft.
We already have a matrix chat room.
On Rule 6, troll questions already require a tag, and they are only allowed on Friday.
Rule 7, we’d still like to keep extra measures to protect our members, as “swaying away” often happens too late.
Wow, thanks!
Rule 7, we’d still like to keep extra measures to protect our members, as “swaying away” often happens too late.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” - Friedrich Nietzsche
“Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a group that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of any other group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you you will be banned on sight.”
You would to ban the entire mod staff now, because you are a members of a group, No Stupid Questions moderators, that is advocating discriminating against another group of people, those that do the things in the aforementioned paragraph. Because you use ANY group of people, it applies. You are setting the mod team up in a situation to decide in groups and out groups.
Am I making sense?
I disagree. The moderator team is not a group known to largely hate or discriminate against any group of people. It has a sole function of keeping the community subject to lemmy.world standards, and enforcing the rules of the community while keeping a friendly language all the way. That’s what it tries to be and that’s what it’s known as.
Enforcing rules is not discrimination, and there’s no one group that breaks rules. As stated many times, lemmy.world is not a free speech platform in a complete sense.
discriminate against
Except you are by having a rule that you can’t be a member of groups that the mod team thinks does.
The wording any group against any other group is so vague it literally applies to anyone. I am a US military veteran. They used to discriminate against women and homosexuals. When I was in, we were actively hunting the Taliban to capture or kill them. So should I be banned? Should Ukrainian soldiers be banned? They kill Russian soldiers. Pretty discriminating. By the way the rule is worded, I need banned, any Ukrainian soldiers here need banned. Everyone needs banned because everyone, by virtue of being a citizen of wherever is member of a group that has discriminated. I can’t vote in Australian elections, so they are discriminating against non Australian citizens.
Thought experiment. What if say, a kkk member is questioning their beliefs and genuinely curious about alternate viewpoints. Banning them just reinforces the idea that these “woke” people hate everyone that doesn’t agree with them.
You’re forgetting the part where it comes down to,
and if you were provably vocal about your hate
meaning, you are welcome to participate no matter who you are, unless you engage in hate speech against others. Hate speech which would be breaking our friendly atmosphere and disrupting other people’s experience.
you are welcome to participate no matter who you are, unless you engage in hate speech against others.
Great. So the whole being a member of a group part can be removed then because hate speech is already covered.
It sounds nitpicky, but it is very personal for me. I’ve seen good group/bad group mentality cause some rather monstrous behavior first hand. I realize there is a lot of nuance, but I really dislike any language like that.
Thank you for all your suggestions, and I hope that you’re feeling better and living more peacefully now. We’ll take this into consideration and talk about it today, and i’ll be sure to let you know when & how it is addressed.
Rule 7 has been updated to refer to hateful movements, rather than groups in general.
