Among the many changes, the new rules would require batteries in consumer devices like smartphones to be easily removable and replaceable. That's far from the case today...
A year ago I would have been absolutely for this. I mean I still had a smartphone with swappable battery (LG G4) 2015-2019 and only changed away from it because of the bootloop issues this phone had.
Though last year i switched to the Zenphone 9 and this phone has a phenomenal battery time in my eyes.
I only slow charge it to 80% every 2 days and I could use the phone for more than 48h if i wanted. Fully charged i can use it for 3 days. I don’t think i will see battery issues for a long time.
I could see that some future phone designs and technologies (like bendable phones) would have it difficult to include swappable batteries. I wonder if those could still use fixed batteries if they offer a free replacement each year or sth like that, instead.
The USB-C changes are good for sure though
For most phones I used the batteries were ok for ~2 years, but i still kept using them for 1-2 more years.
But longer usage times of the batteries also means that they need less charge cycles also not fully charging and slow charging will also maintain the battery life better. In total my phone should have half the amount of charge cycles in a year compared to my previous phones.
I do believe that this time my phone battery will probably hold out over the complete device lifetime for once.
Oh no you are one of them people. Slow charging isn’t going to preserve your battery health by any substantial amount.
Fast charging isn’t going to kill your battery by any substantial amount.
Just use your phone and stop being worried about useless crap like that.
maybe, don’t really care though since i charge it overnight. So might aswell charge it slow. So yeah i am doing what you say and not caring about useless crap like that :)
You clearly aren’t you admitted you don’t let it go above 80% as if we are in some archaic ages again.
I decided to check if Zenphone had a similar thing to apples smart charging and it does. You can set it to steady charge and rather than “smart” charging where it learns your typical sleeping times it has schedule charge so it only hits 100% for you waking up.
Keeping your Li-Ion battery in the “goldilocks zone” (20-80%) does have an impact on the wear. Usually it’s charging the top 10-20% of the battery which has the most impact. I replaced my last battery after 4 years, at which point it had an estimated ~70% capacity remaining.
I think you’re overestimating how much that helps and underestimating how good/smart batteries and charging has got. 80% after 800 cycles is the current industry standard with some now pushing that to 1600 cycles.
I’m currently at 95% health with the phone being 3 months shy of 2 years old, no care taken just charging with a fast charger when needed. At the current rate/trend for me that’s another 4 years to end up at 70% health so 6 years total.
You were talking about slow charging before. About that option i don’t really care and i only use it cause it makes no difference.
Limiting the max charge below 100% is good for battery life though. Recharging to 100% every 3 days would be possible, but pushing it., Charging every 48h to 80% works quite well and is more relaxed with 15-20% spare charge remaining.
I am just following the phones recommendation anyway.
I think again you’re another person that overestimates how much the goldilocks zone helps and underestimates how good/smart battery charging has got. I’m at 95% health and 3 months shy of 2 Years of use with my phone. No special treatment just charging when needed with a fast charger. The current trend/rates for me would mean I hit 80% health in about another 2 and a bit years so 4 years total.
A year ago I would have been absolutely for this. I mean I still had a smartphone with swappable battery (LG G4) 2015-2019 and only changed away from it because of the bootloop issues this phone had.
Though last year i switched to the Zenphone 9 and this phone has a phenomenal battery time in my eyes. I only slow charge it to 80% every 2 days and I could use the phone for more than 48h if i wanted. Fully charged i can use it for 3 days. I don’t think i will see battery issues for a long time.
I could see that some future phone designs and technologies (like bendable phones) would have it difficult to include swappable batteries. I wonder if those could still use fixed batteries if they offer a free replacement each year or sth like that, instead. The USB-C changes are good for sure though
batteries never last. 2 years later and it’ll be bad.
For most phones I used the batteries were ok for ~2 years, but i still kept using them for 1-2 more years.
But longer usage times of the batteries also means that they need less charge cycles also not fully charging and slow charging will also maintain the battery life better. In total my phone should have half the amount of charge cycles in a year compared to my previous phones.
I do believe that this time my phone battery will probably hold out over the complete device lifetime for once.
Oh no you are one of them people. Slow charging isn’t going to preserve your battery health by any substantial amount. Fast charging isn’t going to kill your battery by any substantial amount.
Just use your phone and stop being worried about useless crap like that.
Slow charging might not be so important in new phones which cool down batteries enough while charging (source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpqaQR4ikig), but keeping battery max % for lithium under 80 is actually pretty good (https://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/623375)
maybe, don’t really care though since i charge it overnight. So might aswell charge it slow. So yeah i am doing what you say and not caring about useless crap like that :)
You clearly aren’t you admitted you don’t let it go above 80% as if we are in some archaic ages again.
I decided to check if Zenphone had a similar thing to apples smart charging and it does. You can set it to steady charge and rather than “smart” charging where it learns your typical sleeping times it has schedule charge so it only hits 100% for you waking up.
Keeping your Li-Ion battery in the “goldilocks zone” (20-80%) does have an impact on the wear. Usually it’s charging the top 10-20% of the battery which has the most impact. I replaced my last battery after 4 years, at which point it had an estimated ~70% capacity remaining.
I think you’re overestimating how much that helps and underestimating how good/smart batteries and charging has got. 80% after 800 cycles is the current industry standard with some now pushing that to 1600 cycles.
I’m currently at 95% health with the phone being 3 months shy of 2 years old, no care taken just charging with a fast charger when needed. At the current rate/trend for me that’s another 4 years to end up at 70% health so 6 years total.
You were talking about slow charging before. About that option i don’t really care and i only use it cause it makes no difference.
Limiting the max charge below 100% is good for battery life though. Recharging to 100% every 3 days would be possible, but pushing it., Charging every 48h to 80% works quite well and is more relaxed with 15-20% spare charge remaining.
I am just following the phones recommendation anyway.
I think again you’re another person that overestimates how much the goldilocks zone helps and underestimates how good/smart battery charging has got. I’m at 95% health and 3 months shy of 2 Years of use with my phone. No special treatment just charging when needed with a fast charger. The current trend/rates for me would mean I hit 80% health in about another 2 and a bit years so 4 years total.