Membership vital to ‘victory plan’, Volodymyr Zelensky tells EU summit, as he warns of need for powerful deterrent against Russia

  • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    If I recall correctly, the reason Ukraine got rid of their previous nukes was an agreement with Russia. Essentially remove your nukes or face annexation by Russia… And yet here we are, unsurprisingly to be honest.

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      2 days ago

      It was a bit different than you say but not too far off: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

      In a nutshell, among several more countries Russia and Ukraine signed this agreement, Ukraine and other countries pledged to get rid of sovjet nukes, in return Russia and other countries pledged to not excert force against the countries that signed, except for self defense. And well, we know now how that went.

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Horrible, TBH.

    But I once got into an argument with a tankie here, and eventually the analogy was made of the U.S. invading a border country to secure itself, of course. AKA, Mexico.

    And I was like… It doesn’t matter what Mexico says or does. They could become a territory of Russia or China and send middle fingers on balloons for all I care, they aren’t an existential threat. I would be utterly ashamed of my country if we invaded them, especially after just invading Cuba (aka Georgia) over a similar pretense. And I sure as heck would want to give Mexico nukes and let them join CSTO if it would make the US stop invading them.

  • mlg@lemmy.world
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    Man if only they had those nukes like 30 years ago after the USSR collapsed.

    It would have been a MAD trump card, or could at least be used as a deterent.

    I wonder what the nuclear powers would have done to convince Ukraine to ever get rid of such nukes.

    I bet the USA would have invited them to NATO. Russia would probably make an exclusive oil deal.

    Imagine the possibilities.

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