Why do libs live in a perpetual fantasy where theyre targeted for voting for Hillary in 2016?

      • Vernon_Tennessee [null/void, he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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        15 hours ago

        In what spaces do you get yelled at for this take? Like I understand that NYC and LA both have a big influx of wealthy transplants who move here to “make it” or whatever and just suck up all the resources, pour all their money into chic businesses but thats not the same as building housing for poor people that need it.

        • regul [any]@hexbear.net
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          14 hours ago

          On here and in the FB group NUMTOT. Lots of folks have the take that any and all for-profit housing is to be opposed.

          The general arguments that are made are:

          1. For profit housing takes a lot that could be used for public housing

          2. New housing typically targets the top of the market and entices high-earners who speed up displacement

          3. The idea that new condos are bought primarily to sit as empty investments in expensive areas

          I don’t agree with all or parts of most of these.

        • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.net
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          14 hours ago

          Probably because of the misunderstanding that we dont need more housing and not to just expropriate what already exists and also just turn office towers into high density housing.

          • spectre [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            14 hours ago

            It’s thrown around a lot, but it comes off more uninformed than the outright liberal YIMBYs imo.

            The things also is that liberal YIMBYs are generally all in favor of a steep vacancy tax which would directly impact this issue. This isn’t a particular point of division between the two groups I don’t think.

            The main split has more to do with the role social housing would play in the future (near and distant).