I don’t know how it’s possible to believe in toxic masculinity and also unironically believe men are literally all incurably innately bad. Toxic masculinity implies the existence of nontoxic masculinity. It implies that our societal concept of manhood is damaging, and hurts everyone - men and woman and nb people - and that we need to take steps to change it. I see this “yes all men are evil” stuff as just venting, and it doesn’t hurt me when people say it because it doesn’t really affect me, and I believe that the people saying it have things they’re totally justified in venting about, but like in this conversation, it clearly hurts other people.
I’m somewhere along the femby scale but I’m glad to see this - I pretty often see ironic humor about hating men, even in trans circles, and it disappoints me because I know that although it’s not meant to disparage specific people and trans men it often has that effect and people get carried away. Personally I think regardless of one’s past experiences with specific guys, it’s not cool to blanket guys as a whole as bad. It’s also just incorrect to do so. So hey, @ all the wholesome dudes out there, you’re valid and cool
Liberal “feminism” was a mistake
Oh my god grow up. What is a woman gonna do when they hate you, be a little rude to you? We got bigger fucking problems to worry about.
Given the fact that people are reluctant to present and identify with their chosen gender identity as a result of this, I would say it’s more than just some women being rude.
I think that’s people failing to understand this shit is not aimed at FTM or transmac people. Men are trash comes from men being useless, abusive, cheaters, etc. If you are FTM or transmasc you are not the really the type of men they are referring to, unless you think that being a masc person is being a useless shit. Unless they are terfs, and nobody should give a shit about TERFs.
not really the type of men
Isn’t that the problem? This sort of thing labels “real men” as trash, which could cause problems for trans men/trans masc identity
It’s not real men. Why is the asshole piece of shit the real man? What do trans men gain from wanting to associate their masculinity with the godawful masculinity most reasonable men are trying to escape?
If “all men are trash” is a repeated sentiment, you don’t think that might cause a little undue stress for trans men who are pursuing their own masculine identity? As if this wasn’t the point in shaun’s observation - that generalized hatred toward men is not productive and could even be destructive, whereas criticism of toxic masculinity is necessary
