• Chronicon [they/them]@hexbear.net
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          money is fake (for the government anyhow). We don’t need to do “fiscal responsibility” rhetoric, it only works against us, and emphasizing “taxpayer” delegitimizes the contributions of the disabled, destitute, and those doing unpaid but societally necessary labor

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            Money is as real as people agree on it being which currently is very real.

            “Money isn’t real” is rhetorically correct but that rhetoric can’t be exchanged for food.

            Also wasting less money buying tanks for police and other countries should absolutely be a goal. We could have universal Healthcare and zero homelessness if taxes were actually applied for the benefit of society.

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              social democracy isn’t a great goal, and while it’d certainly be a huge improvement that I’d support, that doesn’t mean I’m going to use its more unsavory rhetoric.

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                Seems like a pretty good goal for a starting vector unless somebody has an idea how we go from the latest stages of capitalism to a moneyless society without an intermediate phase.

                And I’m not sure “disliking the fact 40% of your paycheck goes to your own oppression is bad” is a great starting point

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                  the most successful communists so far have mostly started from underdeveloped countries mostly comprised of peasants, so I don’t think its 100% necessary to become socdems (built off the exploitation of the 3rd world) first. Living conditions along the lines of social democracies, but without the imperialism (both economic and military), now that’s a more compelling thought

                  And again, I’d support it, to some limited extent, but that doesn’t mean I need to adopt its rhetoric. emphasizing the flaws of social democracy is important, to combat liberals saying “oh everything’s great now we don’t need to continue to improve” or “going beyond social democracy is redfash tankieism”

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                    What about all the countries that developed past that point? I don’t see them just ditching the system without an intermediary.