Every fucking time a “leftist content creator” on Instagram speaks on veganism, there’s always this “no ethical consumption under capitalism” shit. Good God, the mental gymnastics are insane, and the comments are full of carnists accusing vegans of ableism, classism, and racism. I can’t fucking stand this anymore.
I’m not gonna type out a whole dunk of this shit, but I had to give at least a mini-rant about it because I’m pissed the fuck off now. They screech all day about how they’re against so many bigoted, reactionary, and imperialist tendencies, but when it comes to speaking out against speciesism, they have to pull so much bullshit out of their ass to justify it.
I’m fucking mad, I’m tired, and I’m about to cry because animal rights are a very sensitive subject for me. Call me a baby, but I just find it so awful that people will try to justify such an inhumane, disgusting act like this.
Every single time a thread in this comm gets attention in other parts of Hexbear, we get a whole slew of carnists trying to debatelord us, if not just coming in to spray chud-tier anti-vegan diarrhea. Oftentimes, they then go on to claim that we provoked them by doing things like “being visibly vegan” or “talking about the processes by which animal products are made.” One went so far as to complain to the admins and try to get me demodded for enforcing rule 2. After repeatedly harassing and attacking us in our own community, they then complain that we’re aggressive and confrontational.
They’ll often try to deflect, saying that they’re fine with veganism but that we’re being too hardline in arguing for it. This, of course, is complete nonsense, and a tactic used by every hegemonic ideology in existence (see: Zionists claiming that “from the river to the sea” is antisemitic). Their goal isn’t to get you to advocate for your beliefs in the best way possible, it’s to tone police you out of being able to publicly express your positions at all.
Carnists have won and continue to win everywhere, and that still isn’t enough for them. Every society eats meat, every industrial society tortures and kills animals for luxury products on a massive scale, we’re forced to pay for the meat industry with our tax dollars, intrusive and obnoxious advertisements for burgers and chicken wings and other animal products assault us from TV, billboards, the internet, street signs - evidence of carnists’ total victory at every level of society. But a tiny, largely powerless segment of the populace saying “hey, isn’t this kind of messed up?” is enough to make them go DEFCON 1 and fly into a frothing rage as if they were manning the walls of the last slaughterhouse on Earth.
They’ll often try to deflect, saying that they’re fine with veganism but that we’re being too hardline in arguing for it. This, of course, is complete nonsense, and a tactic used by every hegemonic ideology in existence (see: Zionists claiming that “from the river to the sea” is antisemitic). Their goal isn’t to get you to advocate for your beliefs in the best way possible, it’s to tone police you out of being able to publicly express your positions at all.
This reminds me of this post I made, in which I respond to this black carnist complaining that white vegans don’t care about animals and are racist.
As a black vegan, I don’t take any complaints about the dynamics of veganism, regardless of the vegan’s race, seriously if it comes from carnists. In other words, she, as a carnist, even if one of color, has no footing to discuss how intersectionality works among vegans. It’d be like Candace Owens trying to make a complaint about how white feminists aren’t intersectional enough. Yeah, that’s not wrong, but the take coming from someone like Candace Owens would be hard to take seriously from her own mouth because she doesn’t support feminism period.
If she were a black vegan saying something like “White vegans misunderstand vegans of color”, then maybe it’d hold weight, but she’s a black carnist trying to accuse white vegans of being “pushy” and says that if a BIPOC vegan is “pushy”, they’re perpetuating “white vegan supremacy”. Her complaints aren’t about “white” veganism. It’s about vegans calling out her speciesist bullshit period, because no matter the color of the vegan who calls her out, she’ll find a way to complain about it and say “I’m actually just mad at white vegans! By the way, if you’re a BIPOC vegan who has a backbone in supporting animal liberation, then you’re acting like a white vegan! I’m totally fine with BIPOC vegans, though! They just have to avoid policing my funding of animal slaughter because that’s a white vegan thing to do! Tee-hee!”
The notion that “Ethical veganism is a white thing.” is disgustingly racist because it’s saying that only white people can truly care about animals, and my black vegan ass sure does care so fucking much about animals that I have to control my rage whenever someone makes that awful take.
anti-vegan-leftism is an oxymoron
and I’m sorry people are like this :(
there’s always this “no ethical consumption under capitalism” shit
Skyrim loading screen tip: if your argument sounds like something Vaush might say to justify possessing CSAM, your argument is probably, uhh, kinda shit.
ableism, classism, and racism
Who would win: the wealth of freely-available information about the intersections of veganism with class, race, and disability at one’s fingertips at any time, or the promise of a bucket of KFC?
There are barriers that keep me from yet wholly ending my use of animal products, barriers related to class and disability, so these people would be “talking about me”… But ffs to blame an inaccessible society on the people actually trying to change that society is just absolutely nonsensical. It’s treating the weight of the institutions of capitalism subsidizing a cruel and unsustainable killing machine as equal to the weight of people challenging that system and “hurting feelings” in the process.
Call me a baby,
To call you a baby would be to call you untainted by society’s teaching to endure excesses so long as excesses are sufferable, or to idly watch injustices as if one does not care.
They literally just throw darts at a board about what -ism veganism is to justify their habits. It’s all post-hoc justifications to avoid doing self-crit or changing their behavior, it’s meaningless nonsense. You can twist basically any two concepts together if you’re motivated enough and don’t care about whether it’s remotely grounded in reality or reason. It’s literally no different from transphobes trying to justify their positions by coming up with convoluted scenarios that pit trans rights against the rights of cis women, or people like Dave Chapelle trying to characterize being trans as a white thing. Those types of “arguments” categorically deserve nothing but PPB. I absolutely detest the weaponizing of language intended to oppose bigotry used to justify awful positions, and if people did this in any other context they’d rightfully be dunked on.
that video sailed above my wildest expectations for how much psychic damage could fit in 1.5 minutes.
smarmy tone, complete bullshit information (no food waste is not the majority of animal feed).
I hope that person gets eaten.
My country is so up it’s hole about grassfed dairy that I get so much satisifcation by pointing out how much GM American/Brazilian soy we have to import to actually keep all the cattle fed.
Watching their face drop as the bubble pop and cosy ur-facist fantasy internally collapses for a few minutes is so sweet. Due to the non-stop rain the cows can’t be let out in the soggy bog like soil. Farmers are scambling to get whatever grain and grass for feed and bedding. Of course this translates to more subsidies and geneflecting by the three conservative parties and wider culture when there is no housing and our health service is collapsing but no discussion into what is actually sustainable and ethical.
Ethically, it’s okay for him to get eaten as long as his remains are sold for profit. After all, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
