Popular modding site Nexus Mods has banned the user who removed the Pride flags in the PC version of Marvel’s Spider-Man, sparking an outcry that the site has actively disengaged from.
The original mod was called “Non-Newtonian New York,” and replaced the in-game Pride flags dotted around New York City with US flags.
As today’s announcement from Nexus Mods explains, “In regards to the replacement of Pride flags in this game, or any game, our policy is thus: we are for inclusivity, we are for diversity. If we think someone is uploading a mod on our site with the intent to deliberately be against inclusivity and/or diversity then we will take action against it.”
So people pay money for a game, want to enjoy it without thinking much, and then get these forced politics shoved down their throats? This isnt even about liking LGBT people or not (I dont have anything against them). But this is like putting advertising for politicians in the game, it can completely ruin the immersion.
Advertising politicians in a game and presenting a realistic environment for which storytelling to evolve within are two entirely different things lmao. This does nothing to immersion, this is you wanting a game which doesn’t reflect the opinions others hold.
If I pay for a game, I expect it to be able to customize it however I wish.
and you can, you just can’t get that mod on this website
And you’re able to customize them the way you want. Nobody said that you can’t.
Exactly, I dont want to see opinions about politics in a spiderman game. Whether its about LGBT or any other topic. For that I will go to Lemmy.
A pride flag is not an opinion about politics my dude
It absolutely is, but a good one. Putting up any flag is actually counted as a very explicit political statement, also “nonpolitical” shit is liberal idea meaning “acceptance of status quo” - which is a political statement too.
A flag is only a political statement when it’s attempting to influence a decision to be made for or by a political party. There is no pride government/country/etc. It is only considered a political statement because most countries have decided to legislate against queer individuals and often the flag is flown to show support for queers. However it’s presence is not necessarily a political statement. The same could be said of country flags - it can be used to communicate where you are from, your background, your history, or any other number of non-political statements. It often, however, is flown as an act of endorsement or support which makes it a political statement.
Pride’s goal from the beginning has been liberatory politics and it’s important not to downplay that to make it more palatable. It’s political to fight to assert our right to have rights. Hell, the very concept of queerness is extremely political: it’s a political coalition of very different groups who work together because we share common political goals because we all suffer from the same oppressive norms and policies.
Where we should disagree with someone saying to keep politics outta their vidya gaemz is to say that doing so is both impossible and undesirable. AAA games are already so fucking afraid of saying anything at all, imagine how dry they’d be if they listened to the “no politics” crowd even more.
great points!
No, a flag is signalling you are supporting something or identifying with something. That is a political statement. For example supporting LGBT is a political statement in every country, just more safe in some, like in France nobody would probably mind, in Poland you will get sometimes yelled at and maybe vandalised and in Saudi Arabia it’s probably illegal.
All of those are political statements, even if very minor and moslty inconsequential (“identifying with something”). But depending on circumstances the outcome might change. Imagine you’re a Russian living in the West and you just want to “communicate where you are from” and fly a russian flag - people were losing jobs and got a death threats for that.
I think that’s too liberal of an interpretation of the definition of political statement - at that point doing pretty much anything is a political statement, which calls into question what the point of calling something a political statement even is.
Yes because everything in society is firmly placed in politics. Some acts and stances of course are too minor and inconsequential to have an any impact or even be noticed. A lot is commonly thought apolitical because of it or beacuse people don’t think it’s politcs based on whatever - often based on liberal propaganda which is pushing the postpolitics very hard. Because, again, postpolitics is just the acceptance of status quo.
In my opinion yes.
If you think that a gay pride flag isn’t a political statement, then I assume you also think a white pride flag isn’t a political statement?
Edit: Also, if the inclusion of a gay pride flag isn’t a political statement, then how can its removal be a political statement?
The fact that it’s a political statement you and I may happen to agree with doesn’t mean it’s not political, and advancing that argument just makes you sound as irrationally prejudiced as the people you oppose.
It may well be a political statement but it’s use in the game is to create an immersive atmosphere and people have pride flags in front of their businesses in the city irl so I don’t see why it’s so weird to have it placed in a game as well. It’s not like the game stops to tell you to donate to your local LGBT friendly politician.
Expressing pride for your background or a characteristic you have is not a political statement. It’s only a political statement when you’re attempting to influence a decision to be made for or by a political party.
I wasn’t arguing that it’s removal was a political statement either. I simply stated that it’s not the same as advertising a politician in a game, because that is political statement.
you can do whatever you want. Go ahead and install this mod, which was made from the same games code that they ship to saudi arabia…
The mod puts US flags instead, for me thats even worse. Anyway I dont even own the game.
How being gay is politic now?
The flag is political.
How is that a problem? Its a representating of a collective who happen to be marginalized throughout history and wish better treatment and representation by expressing their identity in the most basic way possible. Just letting the world known they exist and deserve equal respect.
There are countless groups which fit the same description. Doesnt mean they should all be represented with flags in a freaking spiderman game.
Why not?
As if the US flag isn’t
It sure is.