• CatratchoPalestino [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    7 months ago

    you’re using the term monroe doctrine pretty willy-nilly. it was a doctrine opposing imperial powers that weren’t america influencing latin america not to assist other imperial powers to divide up latin america. even still what does a treaty written up by the spanish empire have to do with whether or not venezuela is justified in starting a war. that’s like definitionally an imperialist war between venezuela and guyana. if americans had a referendum to annex canada to oppose british imperialism i’d also question the socialistic nature of that too

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        7 months ago

        only time can tell but I’m gonna take the possibility as seriously as lula does and he sent troops to the border over the referendum. my own country has fought a war over stupider reasons 50 years ago so I’m not gonna count out venezuela

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          7 months ago

          “Only time can tell” is a sweet way of saying you don’t take what the people of Venezuela or Guyana have been posting about this seriously.

          It’s the US pushing their claim with the Monroe Doctrine literally the White House referenced it in the statement (we can debate whether they are double dipping on the Monroe Doctrine later) for Exxon Mobil to keep their deal where they get to

          DRINK THEIR MILKSHAKE

          with wild abandon that is pushing for a war. I don’t think making some cynical “don’t rock the boat” argument in light of that makes sense

          This can all coexist with criticism of Maduro’s policies, which I have seen welcomed by the Venezuelan government from a grassroots level. Not to gush.

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              7 months ago

              How closely have you been following the recent events around this? How did you already take a position if you haven’t read about the Exxon agreement the US wants to enforce? Sorry for being unclear before with “drink their milkshake” but it’s a really juicy deal for the US with practically nothing for Guyana.

              That’s why SOUTHCOM is doing exercises around there. To threaten to attack Venezuela if their Guyana-Essequibo claim is enforced.

              The US is acting as the enforcer of this claim by Guyana because it helps Exxon continue to steal from them. They’re the ones pushing for war by making overtures like they’re going to Gaddafi Maduro, which you’d have to be a defeatist or not very up to date on the US military adventures to believe.