I don’t believe that Jewish is an ethnicity. That’s like saying Catholics are an ethnicity.
Judaism is just a religion. Any ethnicity can practice it. Same with any other religion.
Zionists have pushed a thesis that there is a Jewish ethnicity but there is not one. There are multiple ethnicities where many if not most members are Jewish but to say a Jew from Eastern Europe and a Jew from Ethiopia are the same ethnicity is patently absurd if the word “ethnicity” is used consistently with how it’s otherwise used for any other “ethnic” group. Also, literally anyone can convert to Judaism and they are then 100% Jewish as are their progeny. You can’t just change your ethnicity like that.
But this is exactly the point. Zionists invented the concept of Jewish ethnicity and then shoe-horned Jews of all different ethnicities into big boxes that don’t have any biological, cultural or scientific reality. Because they wanted to pretend like there was a consistent gene pool of people with common blood. But it was and is artificial.
Right but that’s not the same. There isn’t one Jewish ethnicity. The Ashkenazi, Beta Israel and Sephardic are all separate Jewish communities and ethnicities
Yes, related. Not one ethnicity, but one of many because they each practice their religion slightly differently and have their own uniqueness on their cultures and their origins and their language.
That’s not my intention. My main issue with that comment is that Jewish can’t be both a religion and an ethnicity. Thats the same vibe as Muslims is a faith and an ethnicity.
I cannot just look at someone random and say they are Muslim or Jewish.
Honestly I maybe terribly wrong on this and I do appreciate everyone in this thread being chill. My main point is that I don’t believe in looking at someone and immediately telling where they are from.
the various Hindu religions, or Shinto. Do you have the same issue? The largest Jewish population groups share considerable heritage.Islam generally is a universalizing religion, like Christianity. Both predominate in certain quarters but actively seek converts unlike ethnic religions. Judaism does not actively seek converts but it does accept them depending on the tradition. none of this is inconsistent with a Jewish ethnic identity parallel to but not synonymous with Jewish religion.
I don’t have an issue with it but I don’t want to generalise a type of person based on their religion. As you asked if someone is following Hinduism, I wouldn’t immediately think of someone from the Indian subcontinent same as someone who is Muslim or Christian or Jewish.
I do recognise that some religions have more predominant ethnic followers and they are from specific regions of the world, but it’s not always the case I don’t think.
Well you just shouldn’t do that anyway. But many Jewish people today are reformist and non-practicing. Meaning their ethnicity is what makes them Jewish. You don’t have to assume anyone’s ethnicity.
There’s such a thing as an “ethnoreligious group”, even if a lot of Jews are practicing their cultural history is entwined in a religious tradition. Even totally atheist Jews usually observe some religious practices for cultural reasons.
Yes I agree with you on that. I should have been clearer when I commented on it. I’m an atheist and I still have some traditions that I follow like Christmas and Easter but without the Christianity.
Yeah but most of those subgroups of Jewish people can usually trace their lineage back at least somewhat reliably to the Jewish diaspora.
Also most sects of Judaism aren’t evangelical and don’t actively seek out new adherents, only practicing within the bounds of their own community even if they do occasionally accept converts (and most converts are people who marry into the faith). Christianity isn’t consider ethnoreligious cuz Christianity actively went out and sought new adherents in a variety of cultures.
No, I get that, but that’s the thing, they spread out and adopted their own take on Judaism like the Sephradic Jews took Spanish and Latin words in their Hebrew language.
Seriously, it’s absolutely maddening to see Isreal drag Judaism through the mud in service of their crybully-ass genocide
It goes beyond that. Jewish is both a faith and ethnicity, so even those that aren’t religious will face hatred from this.
I don’t believe that Jewish is an ethnicity. That’s like saying Catholics are an ethnicity. Judaism is just a religion. Any ethnicity can practice it. Same with any other religion.
That’s factually incorrect. There is a Jewish ethnicity and a Jewish faith. A person can be one, the other, or both.
Zionists have pushed a thesis that there is a Jewish ethnicity but there is not one. There are multiple ethnicities where many if not most members are Jewish but to say a Jew from Eastern Europe and a Jew from Ethiopia are the same ethnicity is patently absurd if the word “ethnicity” is used consistently with how it’s otherwise used for any other “ethnic” group. Also, literally anyone can convert to Judaism and they are then 100% Jewish as are their progeny. You can’t just change your ethnicity like that.
There are three major Jewish ethnicities. For the sake of brevity, they aren’t typically listed individually unless it is pertinent to the topic.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2017/9/20/invention-of-the-mizrahim
Not arguing with you, I just read this article some time ago and thought it was interesting
But this is exactly the point. Zionists invented the concept of Jewish ethnicity and then shoe-horned Jews of all different ethnicities into big boxes that don’t have any biological, cultural or scientific reality. Because they wanted to pretend like there was a consistent gene pool of people with common blood. But it was and is artificial.
Ashkenazi Jews are in fact an example of an ethnic Jewish population, due in part to specific cultural traditions and language (yiddish)
Right but that’s not the same. There isn’t one Jewish ethnicity. The Ashkenazi, Beta Israel and Sephardic are all separate Jewish communities and ethnicities
Sephardim and Ashkenazim are related.
Yes, related. Not one ethnicity, but one of many because they each practice their religion slightly differently and have their own uniqueness on their cultures and their origins and their language.
You’re wrong. Giving r/atheism vibes of weird takes.
That’s not my intention. My main issue with that comment is that Jewish can’t be both a religion and an ethnicity. Thats the same vibe as Muslims is a faith and an ethnicity. I cannot just look at someone random and say they are Muslim or Jewish.
Honestly I maybe terribly wrong on this and I do appreciate everyone in this thread being chill. My main point is that I don’t believe in looking at someone and immediately telling where they are from.
the various Hindu religions, or Shinto. Do you have the same issue? The largest Jewish population groups share considerable heritage.Islam generally is a universalizing religion, like Christianity. Both predominate in certain quarters but actively seek converts unlike ethnic religions. Judaism does not actively seek converts but it does accept them depending on the tradition. none of this is inconsistent with a Jewish ethnic identity parallel to but not synonymous with Jewish religion.
I don’t have an issue with it but I don’t want to generalise a type of person based on their religion. As you asked if someone is following Hinduism, I wouldn’t immediately think of someone from the Indian subcontinent same as someone who is Muslim or Christian or Jewish.
I do recognise that some religions have more predominant ethnic followers and they are from specific regions of the world, but it’s not always the case I don’t think.
Well you just shouldn’t do that anyway. But many Jewish people today are reformist and non-practicing. Meaning their ethnicity is what makes them Jewish. You don’t have to assume anyone’s ethnicity.
I know and I don’t want to. I realise I didn’t put my opinion on this as clearly as I should have been at the start.
Yes I understand your point and yes absolutely I don’t have to assume anyones ethnicity based on their religion. I don’t believe in that.
There’s such a thing as an “ethnoreligious group”, even if a lot of Jews are practicing their cultural history is entwined in a religious tradition. Even totally atheist Jews usually observe some religious practices for cultural reasons.
Yes I agree with you on that. I should have been clearer when I commented on it. I’m an atheist and I still have some traditions that I follow like Christmas and Easter but without the Christianity.
I did reply earlier which more or less clarifies the point I’m trying to make here: https://hexbear.net/comment/4360621
Yeah but most of those subgroups of Jewish people can usually trace their lineage back at least somewhat reliably to the Jewish diaspora.
Also most sects of Judaism aren’t evangelical and don’t actively seek out new adherents, only practicing within the bounds of their own community even if they do occasionally accept converts (and most converts are people who marry into the faith). Christianity isn’t consider ethnoreligious cuz Christianity actively went out and sought new adherents in a variety of cultures.
No, I get that, but that’s the thing, they spread out and adopted their own take on Judaism like the Sephradic Jews took Spanish and Latin words in their Hebrew language.