u/Technical-Rest1184 - originally fromr/GenZhou
Yeah, but everything is owned by state in DPRK,despite they call themselves as juche believer.
They are some form of communist , different from Soviet but Marx told that due to different materialistic condition it become like that. USA think it as communist that’s why they are so much tougher on DPRK .
Yeah, I know that communist is a stateless society. But America sees that since they can’t control or own private property over there so they see it as communist country ans that’s many Americans don’t see china as socialist country and see it as capitalist/State capitalist.
Smooth brain western thinking , everything owned by government is a communist system.
Some form Private ownership and private enterprises allowed is a capitalism system.
That’s not “full communism” (and I’m not even sure it’s true). Full communism would only come after the state has withered away, and that obviously can’t happen in a country under siege by imperialist powers. The DPRK is not operating the way it wants to or the way it intends to in the future. It’s doing its best to survive under intense external pressure while building a state that can transition to socialism when conditions change. Juche is a survivalist ideology because it has to be, and future full communism will look nothing like it.
Now, as to why it’s under such intense pressure - it’s not actually that different from Cuba or most other AES states historically. Vietnam is the exception here, and that’s because they pulled something similar to China: utilizing western capital to build domestic capital while restraining the power of both, but Vietnam made an intentional effort to align with the US post war. Remember that the PRC also invaded Vietnam during the war, and that animosity between the two countries goes back much further than either of their socialist histories. Elements of nationalism remain in both, keeping them from allying fully, but their commitments to socialism and individual success keep them from becoming openly hostile now. They are, thankfully, more friendly than ever in the Xi era.
Vietnam is a little like Yugoslavia in its not-quite-taking sides position. The DPRK, by necessity, is 100% hostile to the US and aligned with China. But if Vietnam had been split so that the part bordering China was socialist and the other part was a US client state, then it would probably look very similar to Korea.
u/Technical-Rest1184 - originally fromr/GenZhou
Dude, I know communism is a stateless society.
But I’m saying from western perspective, because they see even Soviet as communist country despite them never acheiving it and it was a socialist country , same thing like china during mao’s era and most of the people think that, after Dang china changed into a capitalist country .
u/Technical-Rest1184 - originally fromr/GenZhou
China is an 18 trillion dollar economy. Vietnam has not even surpassed economy of india. I’m not talking about GDP per capita here. China is growing at much faster rate and they are even inventing and investing huge R&D and resources in hard tech, which means eating Lunch of america and EU countries. ,they know that they cannot compete with china since china has surpassed in AI, 5G, quantum , better space station, modernizing it’s military. So they are heavily demonizing china to isolate it from everyone, but china is only accepting globalization more and more and heavily integrating itself with RCEP country and now they want to join other free Trade agreement too.
Economy is everything and the one who has biggest economy will shape the future and geopolitics of the world.
u/Technical-Rest1184 - originally from r/GenZhouYeah, but everything is owned by state in DPRK,despite they call themselves as juche believer.
They are some form of communist , different from Soviet but Marx told that due to different materialistic condition it become like that. USA think it as communist that’s why they are so much tougher on DPRK .
Yeah, I know that communist is a stateless society. But America sees that since they can’t control or own private property over there so they see it as communist country ans that’s many Americans don’t see china as socialist country and see it as capitalist/State capitalist.
Smooth brain western thinking , everything owned by government is a communist system.
Some form Private ownership and private enterprises allowed is a capitalism system.
u/Jackissocool - originally from r/GenZhouThat’s not “full communism” (and I’m not even sure it’s true). Full communism would only come after the state has withered away, and that obviously can’t happen in a country under siege by imperialist powers. The DPRK is not operating the way it wants to or the way it intends to in the future. It’s doing its best to survive under intense external pressure while building a state that can transition to socialism when conditions change. Juche is a survivalist ideology because it has to be, and future full communism will look nothing like it.
Now, as to why it’s under such intense pressure - it’s not actually that different from Cuba or most other AES states historically. Vietnam is the exception here, and that’s because they pulled something similar to China: utilizing western capital to build domestic capital while restraining the power of both, but Vietnam made an intentional effort to align with the US post war. Remember that the PRC also invaded Vietnam during the war, and that animosity between the two countries goes back much further than either of their socialist histories. Elements of nationalism remain in both, keeping them from allying fully, but their commitments to socialism and individual success keep them from becoming openly hostile now. They are, thankfully, more friendly than ever in the Xi era.
Vietnam is a little like Yugoslavia in its not-quite-taking sides position. The DPRK, by necessity, is 100% hostile to the US and aligned with China. But if Vietnam had been split so that the part bordering China was socialist and the other part was a US client state, then it would probably look very similar to Korea.
u/Technical-Rest1184 - originally from r/GenZhouDude, I know communism is a stateless society. But I’m saying from western perspective, because they see even Soviet as communist country despite them never acheiving it and it was a socialist country , same thing like china during mao’s era and most of the people think that, after Dang china changed into a capitalist country .
u/Jackissocool - originally from r/GenZhouWell that doesn’t answer OP’s question at all, I guess, because it applies to everything but Vietnam.
u/Technical-Rest1184 - originally from r/GenZhouChina is an 18 trillion dollar economy. Vietnam has not even surpassed economy of india. I’m not talking about GDP per capita here. China is growing at much faster rate and they are even inventing and investing huge R&D and resources in hard tech, which means eating Lunch of america and EU countries. ,they know that they cannot compete with china since china has surpassed in AI, 5G, quantum , better space station, modernizing it’s military. So they are heavily demonizing china to isolate it from everyone, but china is only accepting globalization more and more and heavily integrating itself with RCEP country and now they want to join other free Trade agreement too.
Economy is everything and the one who has biggest economy will shape the future and geopolitics of the world.