u/JITTERdUdE - originally from r/GenZhou
As I’ve been more immersed in ML spaces, I’ve noticed a few people talk about their distrust or disliking towards “ultras”, referring to hardline Maoists, particularly in Western countries. I have read and seen some articles by them, such as this blog post by Black Like Mao which claims China is not a socialist power and is exploiting African countries. They similarly accuse the USSR, Vietnam, and Burkin Faso of the same thing.
Having gone from being an anarchist to a Marxist-Leninist, I try not to just jump on board with mass criticism of other communist ideologies, as many anarchists have with “tankies”, so I’ve been curious to understand the ultra ideology and mindset and critically analysis it.
I wanted to understand ML criticisms and opinions of ultras to understand their disagreements (or agreements) with their beliefs, given I’m not totally familiar with Maoist theory.

u/Elektribe - originally from r/GenZhouThey literally don’t understand that socialism in one country is an internarnational benefit to all socialists and part of the international movement… They think that going to war with countries is more revolutionary than developing a socialist economic base. Communism isn’t about wars in streets, it’s.about strengthening the DoTP - period. How the fuck are ultras right when they fail to grasp two largely fundamental characteristics of socialism?
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To put simply workers must take recognized ruling power from capitalists and transform all the mechanics of society from reproducing capitalism to reproducing socialism under workers. To abolish all class by transforming these mechanical relations of economics such that no capitalists nor proletariat exist, but only workers in benefiting society.
Civil wars can be revolutionary in this goal. But also every stage alongside that in building it is revolutionary - transformative. Building collective farming as was in the ussr was a revolutionary act - it’s why “the holodomor” is a false narrative intended to demonize collectivization while fascists destroyed crops and murdered people to keep capitalist economics dominant. They had developed state supported farms such that kulaks were by far the dominsnt producers to far surpassing them in three years. Taking economic power away from capitalists and bringing it to proletariat and the masses. That is a revolutionary act. Economics is a form a form of “war of political power”. Physical force is another form. Hence why we exist today in a dictatorship of the bourgeosie currently and one of the challenges is not how do we fight back person for person, but the consideration of material access both for sustaining existing and for increasing power.