u/Ruanda1990 - originally from r/GenZhou
Hi, me again
I was looking into a thread about Israeli and US sottraction of the land of native population in the areas but one user pointed out Soviet era deportation of peoples, posting this article of Wikipedia and this other article
According to Wikipedia, soviet population transfers were “the forced transfer of various groups from the 1930s up to the 1950s ordered by Joseph Stalin”. According to Wikipedia the “targets” were Kulaks, ethnic minorities and occupied territory citizens and were a form of “ethnic cleaning” and “genocide”, which caused the death of approximately 800,000 to 1,500,000 people. The article starts mentioning the forced deportation of Kulaks (Dekulakization) and the deportation of soviet Koreans in 1937.
The article goes on talking about the deportation of the crimean Tatars, the deportation of Circassians, the deportations of Chechens and Ingush people, the deportation of Germans and Poles after WW2 and finally the deportation of Estonians and other baltic peoples after. Many of those supposed genocides are recognized by the EU and other post soviet states like Ukraine. On 26 April 1991 the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Socialist Federal Soviet Republic, under its chairman Boris Yeltsin, passed the law On the Rehabilitation of Repressed Peoples with Article 2 denouncing all mass deportations as “Stalin’s policy of defamation and genocide.”
What do you think of these articles? Do you recommend any good books on the subject from an ML perspective? Do you have anything to add to these claims? Thank you in advance and have a good day.
u/Assassin4nolan - originally from r/GenZhouIf you’re only willing to learn from reading reddit comments and not from the books provided therein, you arent really willing to learn. I gave you the book and the specific chapter to read, free pdfs are widely available. I cannot be expected to know such numbers off the top of my head, I do not know what numbers are real and fake atm.
It is your task to look into wikipedias sourcing and find where they originally come from, aswell as to read the book chapter (and all its sources) cited.
The key difference between Gitmo and this historical situation is that fascists genuinely murdered 90 million people in WW2, terrorists are a boogeyman created by imperialism, you’re comparing a fake threat to a real threat.
u/Ruanda1990 - originally from r/GenZhouFair enough. Thanks anyway
u/Ruanda1990 - originally from r/GenZhouBy the way, I heard that Grover Furr is widely discredited as historian. There are a lot of threads and posts on r/badhistory on why Grover Furr is not a good source etcetera etcetera, so I’m reluctant on using him as a source. What do you think, is Furr a good source? Do you recommend other authors?
u/Assassin4nolan - originally from r/GenZhouFurr is not the source, the documents he cites are sources. Being a good historian is about creating a viablly true historical narrative from credible sources. I have seen no problems with Furrs sources and thus the narrative it gives off.
Other people have problems with the narrative but refuse to tackle the sources themselves. This is backwards thinking and should never be trusted. Even as communists we cannot have gut reactions to anti communist narratives and use that to dismiss the sourcing for it.
You are learning about the history of a communist led country within the bubble of an imperialist and genocidally anti communist nation’s educational enviornment. (its media, its academia, its overt educational systems and subtle spaces like wikipedia etc) If you rely on the words of people alone because they are held up by the authority of this educational enviornment, you will learn nothing.
Basically, read the damn thing and see if its credible sourcing yourself.
u/Ruanda1990 - originally from r/GenZhouOk, thanks again
u/saltshakerFVC - originally from r/GenZhouDid you read the chapter yet?