Obviously… Since the original announcement for the ban, they would have been planning for that… only for the wank stain of a government to do a uturn and delay it. I bet Ford have pissed a load of money up the wall trying to get inline with the timelines only for them to be slackened.
This goverment is fucking useless.
The statement is nothing but a dead cat to deflect from the heat pump scam that is coming. The UK has no buying power, so cannot dictate standards anymore. They can control standards within their own market, but for international products like cars they have very little say. The EU will be the ones to decide this one. If the EU pulls the plugs on petrol engines in 2030, then no one will build petrol engine for the European market. Building for just the UK will become very expensive.
This is aside from the fact that the Tories have very little time left in office. The Express posted this. Being a Tory mouthpiece, the Express sees this as something to whip Labour with. It is just a clown show.
Heat pump scam?
Has anyone slammed the scam?
Not sure, but I hope so!
Wonder if it was Suzi Quatro.
I’ve been considering a heat pump for a while, could you provide more information about this scam? I’ve tried googling around, but a lot of the articles are light on details, and the video suggestions seem… disreputable to be polite.
If you’ve got articles to explain the issue to hand, that’d be helpful, but even a light explanation as to why they’re bad or not up to the task would be helpful
Edit: sorry misunderstood which post this was from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOqBNmcFMBQ
The scam is in the funding not about the heat pumps themselves.
The EU is big enough and rich enough that someone will build cars for them.
Being the first to introduce the ban by 5 years has driven a lot of zero carbon transport investment to the UK. If it changes to the same as the EU, then why not set up there. Can totally understand why Ford UK is pissed, it wont be around much longer now as Ford focus investment in Germany.
Is this gonna be like when oil companies were saying they should be regulated, knowing full well the government isn’t going to do anything about their record profits? Like, the government is saving face for businesses and they’re taking an opportunity for free PR.
“No! Don’t do that! Don’t let us make so much profit!”
No, I think this is genuine (from the perspective of self-motivation). Designing and building vehicles is a long and expensive process, and up until now companies like Ford have been told that they don’t need any ICE vehicles for sale in the UK market for 2030. Now they’re told that they can either hurriedly reverse course and spin up new ICE vehicle lines for that period, or they can lose out to those companies (like, say, Toyota) who have not managed to make as much progress on the BEV lines and are still likely to have an oversupply of ICEVs.
What they want more than anything else is to know the rules of the game that they’re expected to be playing. Being told at what is, in corporate terms, basically the last minute that the rules have changed is going to be very frustrating.
The hard part is the supply chain. It doesn’t cost Ford money to keep an old ICE assembly line going. However they need to tell their suppliers years in advance how much material they will be buying. Those suppliers then use those plans to buy land for mines, buy equipment for the mines, build ore processing plants - all of this financed at good rates because the bank sees they have a contract to deliver.
I’m not an insider at Ford, but I’m confident they have agreements with suppliers to deliver the materials for the electric cars they expect to sell in 2030. They have to because the world today cannot build enough batteries for what they need. If Ford decides to sell 0 electric cars in 2030, they are still under contract to buy enough batteries for most of their cars and trucks to be electric - which is then batteries they will dump for whatever they can sell them for. (I don’t know what most is - they likely have complex contracts and probably have not secured supply for everything they need yet)
I’ve long though ice sales should be limited to 2% of all sales. That gives an easy out for any niches where ICE actually is compellingly better, but still forces everything else to switch. (travel to the north pole for example)
Then only rich people would have them
Not likely. Well in 2031 the rich might buy them, but by 2040 it will be obvious to the rich that regular gas stations are going out of business. 2% of all cars is not enough to support a nationwide gas station network, so the rich will buy expensive electric cars to ensure they can drive. By 2040 the only people buying gas/diesel cars are doing something that cannot be done with an electric car - trips to the north pole is the only example i can think of - but the beauty of saying 2% can be ICE means if there is something I can’t think of it can still be covered in that 2%. 2% is also small enough to ensure gas/diesel will become hard to find and so people who resist will still switch to something else.
Gas will still be available, but it will be something collectors buy, and those cars are not driven daily. We know how to make renewable gas and diesel. It costs 4-5x as much $ vs a simple oil well, but it is also a better fuel (it is synthetic molecules so engineers can choose the properties) so those left using petrol will probably prefer it.
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