TL;DR - What are you running as a means of “antivirus” on Linux servers?

I have a few small Debian 12 servers running my services and would like to enhance my security posture. Some services are exposed to the internet and I’ve done quite a few things to protect the services and the hosts. When it comes to “antivirus”, I was looking at ClamAV as it seemed to be the most recommended. However, when I read the documentation, it stated that the recommended RAM was at least 2-4 gigs. Some of my servers have more power than other but some do not meet this requirement. The lower powered hosts are rpi3s and some Lenovo tinys.

When I searched for alternatives, I came across rkhunter and chrootkit, but they seem to no longer be maintained as their latest release was several years ago.

If possible, I’d like to run the same software across all my servers for simplicity and uniformity.

If you have a similar setup, what are you running? Any other recommendations?

P.S. if you are of the mindset that Linux doesn’t need this kind of protection then fine, that’s your belief, not mine. So please just skip this post.

  • Justin@lemmy.jlh.name
    273·
    10 months ago

    I’m a senior Linux/Kubernetes sysadmin, so I deal with system security a lot.

    I don’t run ClamAV on any of my servers, and there’s much more important ways to secure your server than to look for Windows viruses.

    If you’re not already running your servers in Docker, you should. Its extremely useful for automating deployment and updates, and also sets a baseline for isolation and security that you should follow. By running all your services in docker containers, you always know that all of your subcomponents are up to date, and you can update them much faster and easier. You also get the piece of mind knowing, that even if one container is compromised by an attacker, it’s very hard for them to compromise the rest of the system.

    Owasp has published a top 10 security measures that you can do once you’ve set up Docker.

    https://github.com/OWASP/Docker-Security/blob/main/dist/owasp-docker-security.pdf

    This list doesn’t seem like it’s been updated in the last few years, but it still holds true.

    1. Don’t run as root, even in containers

    2. Update regularly

    3. Segment your network services from each other and use a firewall.

    4. Don’t run unnecessary components, and make sure everything is configured with security in mind.

    5. Separate services by security level by running them on different hosts

    6. Store passwords and secrets in a secure way. (usually this means not hardcoding them into the docker container)

    7. Set resource limits so that one container can’t starve the entire host.

    8. Make sure that the docker images you use are trustworthy

    9. Setup containers with read-only file systems, only mounting r/w tmpfs dies in specific locations

    10. Log everything to a remote server so that logs cannot be tampered with. (I recommend opentelemetry collector (contrib) and loki)

    The list goes into more detail.

    • lal309@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      This is pretty much what I have setup. I’m not logging to a separate server but I do have other things setup like fail2ban, changes default ports, secrets management, etc. Good resource tho

      • Justin@lemmy.jlh.nameEnglish
        3·
        10 months ago

        I dont see how anything I said justifies you calling me names and calling me bad at my job. Chill out.

        Containers allow for more defense-in-depth, along with their multiple other benefits to maintability, updatability, reproducibility, etc. Sure, you can exploit the same RCE vuln on both traditional VMs and containers, but an attacker who gets shell access on a container is not going to be able to do much. There are no other processes or files that it can talk to or attack. There’s no obvious way for an attacker to gain persistence, since the file system is read-only, or at least everything will be deleted the next time the container is updated/moved. Containers eliminate a lot of options for attackers, and make it easier for admins to setup important security systems like firewalls and a update routine.

        Obviously containers aren’t always going to be the best choice for every situation, architecting computer systems requires taking into account a lot of different variables. Maybe your application can never be restarted and needs to have a more durable, VM solution. Maybe your application only runs on Windows. Maybe your team doesn’t have experience with kubernetes. Maybe your vendor only supplies VM images. But running your applications as stateless containers in Kubernetes solves a lot of problems that we’ve historically had to deal with in IT Operations, both technically and organizationally.

          • Justin@lemmy.jlh.nameEnglish
            21·
            10 months ago

            I respectfully disagree. Containers are 100% the right choice in this situation. They provide the defense-in-depth and access controls that combat the threats that OP is targeting by using ClamAV.

            The goal isn’t securing a single database through a single attack vector. And it’s not like ClamAV would help you with that, either. The goal is preventing attackers from using your infra’s broad attack surface to get inside, and then persisting and pivoting to get to that database.

            It’s just not true that you can get the same level of security by running everything bare-metal, especially as a one-man, self-hosted operation.