> be me
> be patriotic socialist
> use sinophobia and american exceptionalism to fuel support for my “patriotic socialist” org
> write manifesto called “my struggle”
> org starts receiving a lot of money mysteriously
> membership skyrockets
> start going by “PatSocs”
> get cool uniforms and armbands
> start patrolling neighborhoods
> a lot of those neighborhoods are minority communities
> idpol is an op though so we don’t care
> gain support in the suburbs
> now backed by the country’s most powerful unions
> it’s the police union and prison guard union, but whatever, they’re workers too, right?
> now being called “Patzis” for short
> mfw the actual people’s revolution comes and we’re the baddies
> smdh as I’m lined up against the wall for being a fucking nazi

:hst-gun: :pit:

  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    3 years ago

    Nah this ain’t it chief. Marxism and nationalism can coexist, as Stalin writes here and Mao, Ho Chi Minh, and the rest of the third world liberation movements have demonstrated. You can be both nationalistic and build up your own nation while supporting the workers of the world. Where nationalism cannot work with Marxism is in settler colonialist states like the United States, whose entire national identity is built upon genocide and death.

    • comi [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      It’s a tactical concession to attract national bourgeoisie (or peasants :vivian-shrug: ), nothing more

      • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        0·
        3 years ago

        Can a Communist, who is an internationalist, at the same time be a patriot? We hold that he not only can be but also must be. The specific content of patriotism is determined by historical conditions. There is the “patriotism” of the Japanese aggressors and of Hitler, and there is our patriotism. Communists must resolutely oppose the “patriotism” of the Japanese aggressors and of Hitler. The Communists of Japan and Germany are defeatists with regard to the wars being waged by their countries. To bring about the defeat of the Japanese aggressors and of Hitler by every possible means is in the interests of the Japanese and the German people, and the more complete the defeat the better… For the wars launched by the Japanese aggressors and Hitler are harming the people at home as well as the people of the world. China’s case, however, is different, because she is the victim of aggression. Chinese Communists must therefore combine patriotism with internationalism. We are at once internationalists and patriots, and our slogan is, “Fight to defend the motherland against the aggressors.” For us defeatism is a crime and to strive for victory in the War of Resistance is an inescapable duty. For only by fighting in defense of the motherland can we defeat the aggressors and achieve national liberation. And only by achieving national liberation will it be possible for the proletariat and other working people to achieve their own emancipation. The victory of China and the defeat of the invading imperialists will help the people of other countries. Thus in wars of national liberation patriotism is applied internationalism.

        I don’t think Mao would agree with you here. It’s definitely more nuanced than you’re implying.

          • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            3 years ago

            There’s never been an actually existing socialist state without a long and drawn out war of national liberation, whether that be a civil war or otherwise, so that hypothetical doesn’t interest me too much.