Software CEO worth almost $12 billion says he goes into the office ‘about once a quarter,’ bucking the return to office trend in Big Tech::undefined
Atlassian is an Australian company, that’s why.
The companies pushing to get people back into the office are coincidentally the ones being run by individuals who also have a vested interest in avoiding the corporate property market bubble bursting, as it has become increasingly clear that the absolute monstrous amount of parking lots, giant offices, and fast food chains in inner cities are no longer very much needed in the modern world, when a massive amount of the work force can get their job done just as well, if not better, from the comfort of their homes.
Unfortunately they have a vested interested in keeping that market, which is already on life support, breathing as long as possible or their net worth crashes.
Result: try and force your employees back in the office in a vain attempt to perform CPR on said market an— oh shit what, you just quit and got a job for a company halfway around the world? You can just do that? Are you telling me there’s countries out there not propping up overly engorged property markets and teetering their economy on top of a dead in the water industry…?
Shit, guess they didn’t think that through very well…
This is equally true for Australia. It has nothing to do with the fact it an Australian company
Yep, believe it or not, we have cities and an overinflated property market in Australia too. But Scott Farquhar is very down to earth for a billionaire. Comes from a less-affluent area of Sydney, went to public school (admittedly one of the most difficult to be admitted to), doesn’t surprise me that he’s more “understanding” of the employees.
Are you familiar with Atlassian in particular? They are a software company whose customers are generally other software companies.
So yeah, sure, Australia has cities and overinflated property market. But the point is more the geographic distance from other English-speaking nations. Or so I assume.
Atlassian specifically does a HUGE chunk of their business with clients and companies in the US. And if they started forcing their US-based people (or Europe, or wherever) to return to office, it could result in a clusterfuck of losing their overseas employees to places that do still allow remote work, which would be a big headache to fix because if it got bad enough they’d have to start flying people from Australia (presumably where corporate headquarters are) to start figuring out how the hell to recover from that. And I’ve worked for software places that had to abruptly send people to their offices in other nations because shit went wrong on the ground and phone calls weren’t fixing it.
(I’ve had aussie co-workers and clients…inevitably, one side or the other has to stay late or come in early to get a live phone call done. The time zones are so far apart between Australia and the US time zones. It’s REALLY easy to struggle with that if something is going wrong on one side or another.)
When you’re separated geographically so far from a BIG chunk of your market, it’s downright dumb to rock the boat by forcing employees to choose “you, or remote work”. Especially when Atlassian is a “known” name and looks good in a resume. So the CEO probably recognizes that and has no interest in being dumb like that. There’d be a risk of losing your current employees with all their knowledge and replacing them employees who aren’t skilled/good enough to get a remote job.
So, sure, Australia I’m sure does have cities and markets just as big and messy as anywhere. But Atlassian in particular is a software company that does a LOT of remote overseas work–it makes a lot of sense they would not want to push employees back into the office. The geographic distance between their Australian offices and their employees in Europe and America could make things get messy if things went out of control. There’s a vested interest here that is probably different than other corporations.
well to be fair, Australiens learn very early not to be a removed…so his nationality has in fact some relation to his actions.
Morrison disagrees
Uh might want to read up on the current state of Australian real estate before making that connection dude…
Not sure why net worth would legitimize his position
For me it acts as a warning of the credibility of whatever newspeak is going to come out of his mouth.
Probably because most of the people at his net worth are pushing for RTO so he’s the exception to the rule.
because it means he is fucking successful and on pair with other big players, so nobody can say he is just a little light.
Because he could be a “CEO” of the company he founded with 3 employees
If anything, it weakens the article
“Duh of course he doesn’t go. Rich people and C suites are the two classes that NEVER work. And he’s both”
I have no idea why the title doesn’t focus on the policy for the workers, rather than the CEO’s
How the fuck does anyone get to be worth 12 billion dollars?
Nobody should be a billionaire.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Atlassian implemented a Team Anywhere policy in 2020 and has stuck with it, even as companies began introducing hybrid working schedules with the end of the COVID pandemic.
Farquhar’s views on remote work put him at odds with other major tech CEOs, who are increasingly trying to get employees back to the office at least part of the time.
Amazon CEO Andy Jassy told employees in an internal meeting this month that fully remote workers likely would not have a future at the company, reports Insider.
Many tech companies that once praised remote work are now trying to get people to the office, citing improved collaboration and productivity.
Even Zoom, whose videoconferencing software helped power the pivot to remote work, is trying to get its employees back to the office at least twice a week.
Founder and CEO Eric Yuan told Zoom employees that it was tough to build trust remotely, Insider reported earlier this month.
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Fuck RTO but also fuck atlassian, shit company making shit software.
Someone’s upset their PM made them start using JIRA tickets
I actually don’t hate Jira, but maybe because I’ve been forced to use it for so long lol. Bitbucket on the other hand…
Some teams in my office use gitlab while most other use bit bucket and we have meetings where people want to discuss migrating to just one. I get so excited…
…until i hear they want to move everyone to bitbucket.
My first professional experience was with BitBucket so I’ve never had a problem with it. There were a few times we couldn’t roll fixes immediately because of outages but that’s expected with most software to be fair.
I don’t mind most of the UI, but the GitHub experience is so much smoother. My biggest issue with Bitbucket is that it requires each repo to be tied to a project, which can be restrictive when you simply need to get a repo going and don’t have any project-related details squared away yet.
Yeah it going down, or not updating PRs with new changes on branches are infrequent but annoying problems. I actually preferred the review UI on bitbucket vs the GitHub one, but GitHub have finally made a nicer looking UI so I might give it a go again.
I used to like it too until I realized how restricrive it is. The fact that it couples projects and teams is super inflexible. Maybe its just how my company uses it, but its garbage these days, and kind of stuck in the past.
We just migrated to github, and its like night and day. Soooooo much better.
I recently needed a repo for something and someone was like “yeah we can set that up, but it needs to be tied to a Jira project”… wut? I don’t need a whole ass project, just a repo to start.
I feel like Atlassian went down a path on the way they built their infrastructure, got way too far into it, and then couldn’t decouple that relationship without a massive refactor.
I find the lacking/inconsistent integration between Atlassian tools annoying.
Why is there no useful Bitbucket <-> Confluence integration? Why is the markdown or other syntax in Jira so inconsistent. You have to use different stiles in Jira Comments, acceptance criteria and Story titles.
But to be fair with Jira: Often it is the using company who misconfigures in an absolute mess as they try to reimplement some horrible SAP CRM flow which they wanted to get away from before.
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what do people use if not JIRA?
Azure DevOps Boards, Trello (owned by Atlassian), Bitbucket Issues (owned by Atlassian), GitHub Issues, GitLab Issues, Bugzilla, You track, Taiga, …
Asana, Todoist, Notion
And phone calls and pieces of paper.
Don’t say jira. I get cold sweats. It really is slow and shite.
Bruh. Jira is just one problem. Have you ever tried to maintain Confluence docs after the doc’s owner left the company?
Do you not have multiple confluence space admins to avoid specifically this type of problem?
More like I’m glad I don’t have to use it anymore, the entire development side of the company was forced to use it with ridiculous deadlines.
It was used as a tool for upper management to know who to fire next…
seems like you should change your job not your atlassian products 😂
KPIs are often shit and management is often ill-equipped to be reading and assessing KPIs but that’s on management, not on Atlassian.
So any tool used to determine who to fire is a bad tool? Like email, video conferencig software, calculators, spreadsheets…
