That and the large amounts of err, “Ukrainian Patriots” having an influence in Canada. When your deputy prime minister is the granddaughter of a Nazi propagandist it tends to influence things. And her uncle also was a big proponent of the double genocide republishing said nazi propaganda as ‘research’.
Surprised they lasted as long as they did before defederating given that.
Not to dox myself but in my area of Canada seeing Ukrainian flags already was on par with Canadian ones before the war and since its started they probably outnumber them 4 to 1.
Not that I care about the lack of Canadian flags but it is pretty weird when you think about it. Like it’s not like I expect a diaspora to not display any national symbols but this particular diaspora from my experience is largely like 3+ generations in Canada, so youd think lots of the connection is lost.
I’m aware of that (and that definitely fuels the majority of the politics of this diaspora) there is a large number that came over pre-USSR times as it was essentially advertised to them to come over and ‘settle the west’.
Edit: What I think I mean to say is that a lot of ‘Ukrainian Identity’ in Canada comes from being descendants of those that arrived in the ‘first-wave’ section from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Canadians. Which is kind of interesting because for lots of these people their last connection to the actual land of Ukraine was from over a century ago now.
Huh. Could be the same thing we have in the US with americans? Where they pretend to be overly italian despite having never been, for instance. Something to do with not fully integrating upon their initial immigration and staying with their same cultural group for quite some time, maybe.
I think that is a good explanation. Especially since Canada, more so than maybe anywhere else, seems to have like no national identity so It can be easy to hold on to other aspects.
I guess as a personal example I am like only a quarter Ukrainian by blood but it was by far the culture that was emphasized to me growing up, and in my case some of my settler ancestors are from well before Canada became a thing (my grandmother is trying to investigate whether her ancestry here dates back to the very first boat of Europeans on the continent). So if anyone should have a ‘Canadian’ identity it should be me but there is nothing there at all lol.
When your deputy prime minister is the granddaughter of a Nazi propagandist it tends to influence things.
For anyone who might be wondering, it definitely doesn’t end with her grandfather. She has denied that her grandfather was a Nazi and said claims that he was are Russian disinformation (lol). This isn’t even a her being stubborn and refusing to see the facts thing, because it has been proven that she has known this to be true going back at the very least back to the 90s.
That and the large amounts of err, “Ukrainian Patriots” having an influence in Canada. When your deputy prime minister is the granddaughter of a Nazi propagandist it tends to influence things. And her uncle also was a big proponent of the double genocide republishing said nazi propaganda as ‘research’.
Surprised they lasted as long as they did before defederating given that.
Not to dox myself but in my area of Canada seeing Ukrainian flags already was on par with Canadian ones before the war and since its started they probably outnumber them 4 to 1.
Not that I care about the lack of Canadian flags but it is pretty weird when you think about it. Like it’s not like I expect a diaspora to not display any national symbols but this particular diaspora from my experience is largely like 3+ generations in Canada, so youd think lots of the connection is lost.
IIRC the diaspora post-WWII was (mostly) the nazi-adjacent ultranationalists so it makes sense that they’d be more tied to Ukraine.
I’m aware of that (and that definitely fuels the majority of the politics of this diaspora) there is a large number that came over pre-USSR times as it was essentially advertised to them to come over and ‘settle the west’.
Edit: What I think I mean to say is that a lot of ‘Ukrainian Identity’ in Canada comes from being descendants of those that arrived in the ‘first-wave’ section from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Canadians. Which is kind of interesting because for lots of these people their last connection to the actual land of Ukraine was from over a century ago now.
Huh. Could be the same thing we have in the US with
americans? Where they pretend to be overly italian despite having never been, for instance. Something to do with not fully integrating upon their initial immigration and staying with their same cultural group for quite some time, maybe.
I think that is a good explanation. Especially since Canada, more so than maybe anywhere else, seems to have like no national identity so It can be easy to hold on to other aspects.
I guess as a personal example I am like only a quarter Ukrainian by blood but it was by far the culture that was emphasized to me growing up, and in my case some of my settler ancestors are from well before Canada became a thing (my grandmother is trying to investigate whether her ancestry here dates back to the very first boat of Europeans on the continent). So if anyone should have a ‘Canadian’ identity it should be me but there is nothing there at all lol.
I knew about her grandfather (whose wikipedia page is incredibly whitewashed) but I didn’t know about her uncle. Not a surprise of course.
For anyone who might be wondering, it definitely doesn’t end with her grandfather. She has denied that her grandfather was a Nazi and said claims that he was are Russian disinformation (lol). This isn’t even a her being stubborn and refusing to see the facts thing, because it has been proven that she has known this to be true going back at the very least back to the 90s.
Also uh holding this banner