I asked this same question on Reddit and I got zero engagement, so perhaps Lemmy has people that care more about their hardware.

I recently decided to use some of the tools provided by Mr Salter (netburn) and I have to ask the community if you want to see multi-client stress tests (4K streaming, VoIP, web browsing) used on a wireless router or if the single-client iperf tests are good enough. Bear in mind that pretty much all publications that still test their devices (most don’t) rely on the single-client test method.

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    What you linked to is literally someone doing the kind of survey you pay a professional for (or do yourself). It is multiple clients running literal stress tests. Because yes, those are designed to represent website requests… except they are done near constantly for five minutes. That will never happen in the real world between caching of resources and people generally wanting to at least look at a web page before loading the next one. And mostly boils down to “packets per second” but in a way that provides much less data in terms of what was actually being tested. it is simulating an enterprise network load in a manner that is very prone to quirks of the hardware (they even mention their wifi dongles weren’t properly supported in linux) while drawing conclusions that actually are pretty suspect (the idea of needing to refresh the page because of errors CAN happen but is generally unlikely due to cached resources and the resiliency of codecs for media streaming. Most of the time, those “the page didn’t load right” are the CDN).

    Same with the roaming tests and the like. Yes, it is nice looking data but mostly it boils down to being INCREDIBLY situational and, honestly, not useful unless you live in that dude’s office.

    I don’t know that site very well. But, to me, this looks like a lot of data spam that can be summarized as “If you are dealing with enterprise level traffic, get an enterprise solution” while also having a LOT of affiliate links to buy the hardware.

    In a lot of ways, this reminds me of the computer hardware review channels. The better ones just play a suite of games and give you data from that because that conveys most of the useful information while being a realistic scenario. Gamers Nexus deserves an extra shout out (as they almost always do) for actually explaining why each game was used and reminding people of things like “Hitman 3 is a good bloatware test” because of the quirks of those games. But there are the ones who want to flood the consumer with nonsense data because it overloads their brains while coming to the same conclusion but being more “authoritative”. It is one of the reasons I actually love that when Jays Two Cents does a stress test they repeatedly emphasize “This will never happen to your computer in reality. We are doing this to stress test our cooling solution”.

    In fact, I would go so far as to say that reviews like this becoming ubiquitous would actually make the product space worse. We have already seen it happen. When people started discovering that mesh networks exist, there was a lot of interest. And many tech channels (I don’t want to JUST call out LTT but… I am gonna call out LTT because they always do this bullshit) reviewed enterprise equipment, particularly Ubiquiti. And that more or less led to the idea that you either buy a shitty netgear router for your dorm or you buy an enterprise solution. Which means there is no product that is good for 95% of consumers anymore. You either have trash or really expensive overkill (although, I AM a fan of TP-Link’s Omada approach as that is very much built out of consumer grade hardware at the low end). Because nobody needs feature X if they aren’t running a hotel but… are you really going to buy something that scores lower because it doesn’t have it?

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      I understand perfectly where you’re coming from and I would love to find some way to objectively test wireless networking hardware which can be easily replicated in pretty much any other site. The Octoscope tools (now assimilated by Spirent) may be the closest since we get to put the wireless AP/router in a box and then simulate the conditions we want. But, for those that don’t have fat wallets, I guess these open-source tools are good enough, even if the results are heavily subjective. I know that people don’t like good enough, but at this point in time, even the fine edge between realistic and unrealistic is better than nothing.

      And funny thing, WiFi 6 is not really that much better than WiFi 5, unless some very specific conditions are met - I’ve seen it in testing. So yes, I know what hype and advertising can do…

      Gamer Nexus are my favorite when it comes to PC hardware as well and I would love to see them give it a try at testing wireless networking hardware. Who knows, maybe they’ll create a standard for testing these non-enterprise wireless routers.