Wait, If Windows is 96.21% and Linux is 1.96%, then MacOS is 1.83%?
Wouldn’t that make Linux 2nd place?
Before opening the comments, I spent several seconds contemplating if I should mention this, or if people would think I was some pedantic nerd dickhead and downvote me to hell. Glad someone else already covered this.
We still think you’re a pedantic need dickhead, but we upvote you for that!
Pedantic / thread about Linux. You’re safe, cuz.
Yeah, I contemplated mentioning it too, knowing I might come off as pedantic, but figured what the hell. Others must have noticed too, right?
Dude you are “root”, you can do anything here! So don’t waste time thinking next time, just (su)do!
su root
lol, this is the only reason I came in here.
It’s OK this was cause OP has the permissions for it
I actually love the irony of this meme, as that’s exactly what happened haha
This is a post from the future, after MacOS temporarily jumps to a whopping 2% after it gets its yearly single port of a 5 year AAA old game.
It’s actually second now.
Linux now has more steam users than MacOS
Which, as an ex MacOS user, is a mindboggling fact it took this long.
I guess people just trying to do things with what they have. I had a friend who plays LoL on a Mac. She also used Steam on it but there were very few games.
I was in that camp as well. Personally, if gaming got better on Mac I’d go back in a heartbeat. If you have a specific title you like that’s support it’s really nice, but anything else is a layer of compromises to get things up and running :/
Aren’t modern Macs literally not able to run games due to them being arm?
ARM isn’t the problem. Some games have native ARM ports, and x86 games can be run by Rosetta. It’s not as fast as native, but broadly comparable with the performance of the previous gen Intel chips they replaced.
A bigger problem on macOS is that they dropped support for 32-bit software a few years ago in Catalina. Not a problem with newer games, but it decimated Mac users’ Steam libraries.
And the biggest problem is that Apple just doesn’t give a shit about gaming. Every few years, they claim they’re going to do games, but quickly forget about it. They’ve never put decent video cards in Macs, and never hesitate to throttle hardware if proper cooling would mean a larger enclosure, so AAA games typically arrive on macOS years late, when second-rate or integrated video cards can run them.
If they actually cared, they’d have their own Vulcan implementation. Instead, they’re focused on their own proprietary Metal API.
Basically, Apple and AAA game studios have been ignoring each other for decades.
so AAA typically arrive late
that’s IF they arrive at all. Many studios/publishers just don’t care about lower hardware anymore. If it doesn’t run on current day hardware they don’t release it for it. Especially with Linux and Mac. The best time to get a release for the the two would be release day, after that it’s diminishing results
I firmly believe that with the move to ARM, they gutted macos gaming capability past the point of no return. You used to be able to say that you could run compatibility layers on it but, the new architecture makes it super hard to do so. Even virtualizing it via VirtualBox is a pain in the butt on the new system. I’ve just been telling customers if you want any type of gaming support, choose anything but the new macs.
It depends, actually. You can stack translation layers to take things from x_86 -> Arm and stuff intended for Windows -> MacOS. Depending on your solution sometimes you need to use Microsoft’s x86 translation layer and some times you use Apple’s.
This takes a pretty big hit tho. And for a long time DX12 was an issue, but with Apple’s release of the GameDev porting kit (intended for developers) you could now do play those titlss through a WineBottle. Many users did this (myself included) and I think commercial products like CrossOver are able to have the same functionality. Playing D4 on my base m1 was kinda wild.
It’s honestly kinda fun if you like tinkering, but not ideal if you care about raw performance. Ultimately tho, my Linux system is just easier now, but if I get curious if I can run a game on the thinnest laptop I own I reach for my Mac.
What do you think mobile games run on?
You won’t find any of those on Steam…
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/gettingstarted/mobile https://topgameslists.com/mobile-games-on-steam/ https://www.androidpolice.com/android-games-on-pc/
I could keep doing this. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of games on Steam that started on mobile.
Not that this matters because the entire fucking point is that NO, Macs aren’t “unable to run games because ARM” when almost all mobile games run on ARM and they get ported to non-ARM processors ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
Are Linux users just unable to think beyond what’s literally in front of them?
True though point being here Steam is a PC platform so it doesn’t have ARM games, it has ports of them. So yes, unless you use some kind of emulator, ARM Macs won’t run Steam games let alone Steam.
…are… you… fucking trolling?
Do you not know what a port is? Are you not aware that numerous modern game engines don’t even need to be ported, they just run on multiple platforms?
Macs being ARM based has FUCKING NOTHING TO DO with there being few games for the platform.
Apple has never courted game developers. They have never been about absolute gaming power. They’re about developers, media production, and general use audiences. They do not build gaming computers. Any gaming capability is ancillary to their actual business model.
If a developer doesn’t see a potential ROI on porting a game to Apple silicon, they won’t. It’s that simple.
Even if it’s Steam Deck, this just goes to show that desktop Linux is totally viable; it just needs more commitment from companies
Maybe this is the year for desktop Linux!
Man I remember when KDE came out and us young naive kids thought “this is it… It’s virtually identical to win95/98… But without the bsod”
I feel old.
It definitely is! Now I feel silly for calling it a year early, last year.
Yeah! That thing almost nobody touches because it’s literally just there to run a proprietary storefront and act as a translation layer for games is totally going to win the desktop!
Just next year!
For the last twenty-five years or so.
commitment from companies
The biggest of big tech refuses to accept Linux as a desktop OS. They need to port their software for Linux to get people over.
desktop Linux is totally viable
I think this shows the opposite.
If a FREE option that claims to be more efficient/faster (but usually isn’t in real life) is less than 2% of the market, something is wrong. Very, very wrong. Since when do people turn down free stuff, unless that free item is that bad?
Because the vast majority of computers come with Windows preinstalled, and the vast majority of users can’t be bothered to update their OS unless they’re forced, let alone reinstall something else. I’m fairly certain the numbers would be very different if there were a significant number of blank laptops on the market, let alone ones shipped with Linux.
I’m 100% certain there would be little difference because people need an OS that can run the software that they want, and just as importantly they need to be able to actually install and use it and Linux has never even tried to make that process anything but a nightmare. And I’ll stop you right there with your various flavors of Mint or Ubuntu or Elementary or the dozens of other distros. Users don’t care about endlessly tinkering. They want something that just works. Linux doesn’t offer that.
But if you turn to science / engineering software, most stuff will work out of the box on Linux/ Mac, but is a pain in the ass to set up on Windows. Ease of installing software isn’t an OS thing; it depends on the developer of the software in question.
That’s simply not true. The vast majority of CAD, CFD and FEA software is run on Windows (with many not even having Linux versions) and that has been the case for decades. The installation process on Windows is almost universally a straightforward process, and the times it isn’t, is usually because that software has (or had) Unix roots from ages ago and the clunky nature of anything related to Unix comes through.
Someone’s been feeding you bullshit.
CAD is an exception, yes. Also a lot of stuff related to commercial aviation, because of the regulations. I was talking about comp sci, statistics, big data etc.
that software has (or had) Unix roots from ages ago and the clunky nature of anything related to Unix comes through.
It’s the other way around. It is extremely easy to make simple UNIX scripts. And it is extremely easy to string together a bunch of such simple scripts to make larger software. Windows does not follow the UNIX philosophy, making it difficult for different programmes to talk to each other.
Someone’s been feeding you bullshit.
I’m talking from personal experience. I write R, python and bash scripts to take data from machines, analyse it and draw graphs and charts based on it. I use three languages and multiple machines. But thanks to the UNIX emphasis on modularity, I can connect all of this into one automated pipeline. And if tomorrow one machine is replaced, I will only have to change a few lines of the script, again thanks to modularity.
Don’t get me wrong, Windows has its advantages - better gaming support, ‘safety rails’ that prevent you nuking your system, better drivers for peripherals, and so on. But software installation is not one of them.
Also works for Reddit vs lemmy user count
I like to think we are in fact happier here than on Reddit.
Math don’t add up, Linux would be second because whatever else would only have 1.83.
Second place baby!
But second place wasn’t looking so saucy like the medal biting guy
I actually feel sorry for that first placed kid on the picture: he formally won but clearly feels beaten by the sheer enthusiasm of the 3rd place one.
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Even if it was all gamers, that’d push a lot of companies to care about Linux a whole lot more. Venn diagram of people who spend a lot of money in tech stuff and people who play games is almost a circle nowadays.
I’ve worked in server-side systems development for over a decade, in all sizes of company, and Linux has been ubiquitous on the server side for ages: it’s simply the most problem free way of maximizing the hardware you have, not to mention cheaper (both upfront and TCO).
It’s only on the desktop that it’s not.
Yup, outside of the desktop, Linux rules the world.
I meant companies that make apps for desktop, like Adobe.
I don’t even think Valve really care about Linux. At least not in the same way that Linux users care about Linux.
They just care about getting the costs of Steam Deck down, and don’t want MS to go mental and pull the rug from under their business model.
I’m surprised by how much of my Steam library would work on the Deck, tbh. Out of nearly 1300 games, 407 are verified, and 931 are verified and playable. Be nice if you could stream the rest (either from your own PC or an external provider), but Geforce Now showed that was a minefield (I suspect due to exclusive streaming rights already being to sold to someone else) and publishers freaked the fuck out, despite it being none of their business where I run my purchased games.
They care about Microsoft not 100% controlling access to the platform Steam customers use. Valve cares about Linux because they need an escape strategy if Microsoft ever locks them out.
I thought they were going that way with Windows 11 S that prevented you using anything other than the MS Store, but it turns out you can just switch S mode off.
It would be mental for MS to do it. Their desktop dominance hinges entirely on people still being able to run the last 30 years or so of wonky old software.
S mode is in 10 also. I work for a MSP that recommends virtual desktops to our clients, so we often have to help users connect from their home PCs. It wasn’t a ton, but enough people were locked in S-mode we all had practice walking them through disabling It, because it blocks our remote control app also if in s made.
You can stream from your own PC. They have remote play and Steam Link for android.
I’ve only found 2 games out of my library so far that don’t work
Valve has been pro linux and anti-windows way before steam deck… did people forget about the Steam machines?
This, but desktop linux users are on the step for 193rd place while excitedly screaming and holding a third-place sign. Steamdeck users are on the 3rd-place step while calmly playing their deck.
I’m in this comment, and I’m okay with that.
It’s the year of the Linux desktop, y’all! Woohooohooo! Yeah! Rock on!
Fuck yeah! Just like last year!
It’s the year of the Linux
desktop, handheld y’all! Woohooohooo! Yeah! Rock on!Wait, I think that already happened with Android.
It’s the Year of the Linux Handheld squared, then. We win twice.
Fwiw I’m in it too. I’m not going to say what year was the year of Linux on the desktop for me, but it wasn’t a meme yet. And I’ve continuously run an actively used Linux desktop (or mostly laptop) since, often at work but always at home. I unironically prefer it to Windows and Mac, which I also also daily drive and consider to be worse in most ways that matter to me.
I think desktop Linux gamers are right to cheer for the Steamdeck, as its success translates quite directly to an improved gaming experience on desktop Linux. So yeah, the reason this meme is so clear to me is because I see it in the mirror each morning.
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I use Windows, MacOS, and Linux everyday but my primary desktop has been Linux since I moved from OS/2 in I think 1996 or so. I have been a Linux user since 1992.
I have not really been a gamer since the StarCraft days though.
… since I moved from OS/2 in I think 1996 or so.
Quitters never win. Warp is the OS of the future, we just haven’t gotten there yet.
It wasn’t a meme yet? So like… 30+ years ago?
It wasn’t a meme yet? So like… 30+ years ago?
- The phrase hadn’t been coined yet in 1993.
- I said what I said.
So like 30+ years ago.
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Not really, it’s closer to 50/50
I stand by the meme even if I can’t stand by the statistics in it.
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You’re an idiot
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Linux is life
Linux is Shrek?
Knowledge is power.
France is bacon
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Truly a Linux moment
Is that before or after Steam Deck users? Would it be higher than 1.96 if we included steam deck in the count?
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I think it does matter, from what I’ve gathered including the steam deck would likely up the percentage significantly due to being essentially a Linux only machine.
People are installing Windows 11 en-masse on that Steam Deck!
No they aren’t
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Okay, people are uploading videos of their successful Windows 11 install on YouTube, Reddit and the Steam community en-masse, followed by complaining it doesn’t run well lmao
I like this meme format
I wish I had his energy tbh
As much as #3?
So uncanny that in the Ubuntu bug tracker, bug #1 is Microsoft & bug#2 simply does not exist.