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The ship is expected to keep burning for weeks.
Actually, it might also sink and release up to 2,000 tons of heavy fuel oil (plus molten plastic, metals etc.) to the Wadden Sea which is on the UNESCO World Heritage List as an important biosphere reserve.
Nice! Good to know!
yeah, tug it back to the customers/producers.
This is also the reason why they aren’t extinguishing the fire as normal. Because flooding the boot with water will guarantee it to sink.
“Of the 3000 cars onboard, 25 are electric and one of those has apparently set light to the whole cargo”
BULLSHIT!
Nobody said so.
But “journalists” nowadays are full of shit and all reporting “currently there’s no proof that some electric car started the fire” (always with #electriccars) - what everyone reads as “yeah, sure the electric car was it!”
meanwhile electric cars are actually LESS likely to start a fire and still nobody in the know has actually claimed electric cars had ANYTHING to do with it.
The article linked in the post says:
A spokesman for the Coast Guard said earlier today that the fire is believed to have started in one of the electric cars. Later in the evening, the Coast Guard said that nothing is yet known about the cause.
So yeah they aren’t sure but it’s coming from the coast guard not the journalist.
Other people actually reported that coast guard not only responded with “we don’t know anything yet”, but also with “nobody of us would have told you a cause and we don’t know who did”
I’ve not seen any proof apart from wild speculation by owner/journalists yet.
And yes, the owner too pointed at electric cars - but neither people on board nor anybody near the ship was telling about that. So I’d guess that’s just repeating headlines too.
My point was: don’t claim “maybe it was electric cars”! because people don’t understand “maybe”
German news said there might have been a Short circuit near those cars, once the Battery catches fire you basically can’t put it out.
I said there might have been aliens, testing new beam weapons - anything is possible.
we’ll never know‽ /s
Nah, there was no green light visible when the fire broke out.
They switched to gamma rays recently.
Ah! Those sneaky bastards!
German news and anti-EV propaganda, name a more iconic duo.
What? Thats literally the opposite of anti EV propaganda. And if anything our news push that stuff.
Its easy to put out car fires but when it comes to the batteries EVs have its a different game. Entirely possible it started with one or with something else. But once an EV is on fire and the batteries go, theyll need special equipment and training to put that out. Likely they didnt have those.
because it’s impossible that the other 3000 cars filled with an explosive liquid could have ignited the fire. No, it’s definitely impossible, those fuel tanks never leak, and gas vapor never explode
Pretty sure they don’t ship cars with gasoline in em, thats extra weight that doesnt need to be there let alone the fire hazard.
The electric cars on the otherhand most likely have the batteries built into the fucking frame.
Tbh all cars have at least one battery. Or it might have been some order random accident that has nothing to do with the cargo. I think we need more info on this
While that’s true I was more pointing out the falsehood in the other commentor, and while most cars have batteries lets not pretend a batter the size of a cinder block is the same as one the size of a mattress.
well that and it’s different chemistry (lead vs lithium)
…aaaand EVs have those old lead-acid batteries too. (btw: we should finally ditch those for LiFePo or similar)
I mean statistics are clear on that one… :D
What journalist?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hembrow
If you read the actual article by a journalist they don’t say it’s a certainty. Maybe the problem is people like you who can’t tell a journalist from a random guy.
If you read the actual article by a journalist they don’t say it’s a certainty. Maybe the problem is people like you who can’t tell a journalist from a random guy.
did you even read what I wrote?
I specifically said that journalists are writing “there’s no proof that it wasn’t” and that other people are reading “it was” into it.
It’s exactly that. People are unable to read/understand.
Your message is that journalists are full of shit, I’m calling you out because you couldn’t identify a journalist if they were writing an article in your face.
Stay mad.
Just tow it beyond the environment.
Yeah. Just pipe it to /dev/null
>>>>>>
Into another environment?
No. Out of the environment!
So it’s no longer in an environment.
Well, what’s out there?
Nothing.
There’s nothing out there.
Just sea and birds and fish.
And?
a couple thousands cars, sixteenhundred tons of fat oil and two-hundred tons of marine diesel.
And?
Its so hot that towing is currently not possible
It’s a reference to this, not a literal suggestion
Gotta love the industrial-technological system. It really improves life for everyone!
This could happen with every other ship as well, with every cargo.
Fewer shipments would be needed for more efficiently sized vehicles, so it would happen less.
Cargo containers are a standardized sizes and they fit a certain number of cars, the only way to fit more is to make cars small enough that they’re simply unsafe in an accident.
Smaller cars are great. “Unsafe in an accident” is dependant on speed, and if you’re just driving in a city you don’t need a vehicle designed for highway speeds.
Also other vehicles do exist.
If you only drive in a city then you don’t need to own a car at all, so that point is moot.
Small cars from the 80s/90s are a death trap even at slow speeds and making them safe requires them to be bigger, even if it’s only for slow speed accidents. Heck, speed limits in cities can go as high as 55mph/90kph, that’s pretty freaking fast and not a speed I would love getting hit at in a Kei car (my brother has one, you’re safe in it because of how small it is and how thin everything is around you).
Small cars from the 80s/90s are a death trap even at slow speeds and making them safe requires them to be bigger
it’s probably not the 90s you’re thinking about.
90s cars had airbags, large crumple zones and seat belts. Those were pretty safe already. Maybe you are thinking 60s and 70s?
Yes, 90s cars were fucked if hit by 3t of steel at 180km/h, yes. But so are current cars.
And less heavy cars that run into you, made less safety needed. So if we were to build only light (say sub 1t and driving 80km/h max) cars to modern standards, we would all be way better off. But people are assholes, so that won’t happen.
I absolutely need a car in my city. Poor public transit isn’t a purely rural phenomenon—thus this community.
Seriously. This thread is filled with lettuce munching hippies from what I can tell.
I mean, I probably count as that. I’m just saying that the problem is even worse than they think: not every city is walkable.
You’re on fuckcars, the argument isn’t that these cars specifically are an issue. It’s that all cars are.
a high concentration of large lithium batteries might make the fire a bit worse.
so if this was 100% petrol cars, i think the risk and severity of fire is lower.
They corrected the number of cars up to 4000 (:
And electric cars to about 500
…alright, maybe this is a stupid question, but how is it we can’t get 8 ships out there meant to suck up sea water and blast it onto the fire until its out? How is it that waiting for it to burn out our best option here?
Water stops fire because it spills over the burning mess and starves it of oxygen.
A burning lithium cell releases both oxidizer and fuel, which, because of the temperature, can now burn more of the lithium cell and release more oxidizer and fuel.
Which essentially burns down to LiPos can burn underwater and water won’t quench them.
Also, blasting a ship with water means that it will, eventually, sink. Spilling its own heavy fuel, and all the cargo onboard into the sea.
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This is probably the most braindead take I’ve seen in a while. Fuck cars but this dude is presenting it as if Satan himself was in the cargo hold.
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Mmmhm you’re a puppet if you don’t support oil and auto interests.
