Douglas Murray explains the heart of the Meritocracy debate and why the Left's goals are fundamentally flawed. From the 2023 National Review Institute Ideas ...
I’m not really interested in people just ideas and views. The video was a good one.
Though “one of the most important public intellectuals today.” I wonder how far off being intellectual that makes me if I haven’t even heard of the guy. I was just watching an engineering video and it popped up.
Be careful. YouTube likes to show people increasingly insane right wing propaganda. It starts with “huh those are some interesting ideas” and before you know it you’ll be screaming about vaccines and praying for Trump to make a comeback.
It starts with “huh those are some interesting ideas” and before you know it you’ll be screaming about vaccines and praying for Trump to make a comeback.
Oh, please, stop. Telling people not to expose themselves to certain bits of information or perspectives is just another form of bigotry. I read two of Ayn Rand’s books, because her ideas were new and fascinating to me. That didn’t turn me into a libertarian or stop me from seeing the flaws in her ideology. But I am now more educated and less likely to be influenced by libertarian arguments as a result.
Try having discussions with people who you feel have the wrong ideas about things rather than telling them to avoid “wrongthinkers” altogether.
Thats not what I was suggesting at all. I said that YouTube’s algorithm will start flooding your feed with progressively more extreme and misinformative content.
I do think the left is very close minded and restrictive.
To make out that the right never has or never will make any valid points is insane.
I’m just listening to ideas and views and absorbing information.
Just because the left doesn’t like this guy doesn’t mean I’m going to follow them into immediately disregarding everything he says as some heathen. I’m not going to hate everything this guy said just because my side says I should. It’s not a football game.
It’s a very strange argument you are making. That accurate information and good points shouldn’t have the credit they deserve because of other points. I’m very pro vaccines and Trump seems like an idiot but again that doesn’t mean he isn’t always wrong like the west makes out. He nailed the gas reliance Russia has on Europe.
I never hear the argument the other way “watch out the left believe in free education. Next thing you know you’ll be believing everyone should be paid the same and that borders don’t exist”. Instead they would be far more likely to argue the initial point they disagree with.
If you don’t know who he is, you don’t know whether or not he’s credible on any of the issues he discusses.
For the record, Murray is well-known for being a right-wing bigot when it comes to Muslims - he wants to restrict immigration based on their religion or perceived religion, and publicly worries about the supposed decline of “white Britons” in London. And any legitimate criticism he might have of the tenets of Islam and how it’s practiced in countries with Sharia law are drowned out by his apparent inability to differentiate between islamists and people who happen to be Muslim.
He believes in “white genocide” and other common tropes of white nationalism, and generally embraces all of the associated conspiracy theories.
Weirdest of all, he’s a gay man who believes LGBTQ+ identities are inherently destabilizing to society somehow, and is expressly bigoted towards trans people.
All of this is to say, he’s legitimately kind of a crazy person, and you should take everything he says with a huge grain of salt, if you even want to bother with him at all.
“If you don’t know who he is, you don’t know whether or not he’s credible on any of the issues he discusses.”
That’s only if he makes a claim that needs backing up. If he made an argument that is free standing on his own then it doesn’t. If he said vaccines cause autism, then his credibility would come into play.
"For the record, Murray is well-known for being a right-wing bigot when it comes to Muslims - he wants to restrict immigration based on their religion or perceived religion, and publicly worries about the supposed decline of “white Britons” in London. And any legitimate criticism he might have of the tenets of Islam and how it’s practiced in countries with Sharia law are drowned out by his apparent inability to differentiate between islamists and people who happen to be Muslim.
He believes in “white genocide” and other common tropes of white nationalism, and generally embraces all of the associated conspiracy theories."
Now you are going to have to believe me when I say I have never heard of this guy. Because to me that sounds an interesting point. I have lived in high Muslim areas and I have visited London a lot. I really think this is where the left fall down a lot. People do not want huge amounts of immigration and they especially do not want it from people that cause the decay of the fabric of the city and country rather than integrating. Immigration is and always has been a huge issue to Britains. That is why I think Brexit went through. Also I think because Labour are very bad at talking about immigration but the conservatives are very good at it (though they don’t do anything about it) means that the conservatives win more.
I think if the left hand more of an anti-immigration policy they would win more.
Why, from what you have said, is restricting immigration such a terrible thing? London, other cities in the UK, (and a lesser extend the country) have seen huge declines in native population. Again that seems like a valid point. Why are the left not doing anything to address this?
Well that got heavily downvoted before anyone had the chance to watch it.
I mean, it’s Douglas Murray. What did you expect?
I don’t even know who the guy is.
I just thought he put together some good points.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Murray_(author)
I’m not really interested in people just ideas and views. The video was a good one.
Though “one of the most important public intellectuals today.” I wonder how far off being intellectual that makes me if I haven’t even heard of the guy. I was just watching an engineering video and it popped up.
Be careful. YouTube likes to show people increasingly insane right wing propaganda. It starts with “huh those are some interesting ideas” and before you know it you’ll be screaming about vaccines and praying for Trump to make a comeback.
Oh, please, stop. Telling people not to expose themselves to certain bits of information or perspectives is just another form of bigotry. I read two of Ayn Rand’s books, because her ideas were new and fascinating to me. That didn’t turn me into a libertarian or stop me from seeing the flaws in her ideology. But I am now more educated and less likely to be influenced by libertarian arguments as a result.
Try having discussions with people who you feel have the wrong ideas about things rather than telling them to avoid “wrongthinkers” altogether.
Thats not what I was suggesting at all. I said that YouTube’s algorithm will start flooding your feed with progressively more extreme and misinformative content.
That is absolutely not what you wrote and I don’t believe it’s what you meant either.
I do think the left is very close minded and restrictive.
To make out that the right never has or never will make any valid points is insane.
I’m just listening to ideas and views and absorbing information.
Just because the left doesn’t like this guy doesn’t mean I’m going to follow them into immediately disregarding everything he says as some heathen. I’m not going to hate everything this guy said just because my side says I should. It’s not a football game.
Did you reply to the wrong comment? You seem to be arguing against things I didn’t say
I’m sorry. He’s too far gone.
No. I meant to reply to you.
It’s a very strange argument you are making. That accurate information and good points shouldn’t have the credit they deserve because of other points. I’m very pro vaccines and Trump seems like an idiot but again that doesn’t mean he isn’t always wrong like the west makes out. He nailed the gas reliance Russia has on Europe.
I never hear the argument the other way “watch out the left believe in free education. Next thing you know you’ll be believing everyone should be paid the same and that borders don’t exist”. Instead they would be far more likely to argue the initial point they disagree with.
One random guy said that. That doesn’t really hold water.
If you don’t know who he is, you don’t know whether or not he’s credible on any of the issues he discusses.
For the record, Murray is well-known for being a right-wing bigot when it comes to Muslims - he wants to restrict immigration based on their religion or perceived religion, and publicly worries about the supposed decline of “white Britons” in London. And any legitimate criticism he might have of the tenets of Islam and how it’s practiced in countries with Sharia law are drowned out by his apparent inability to differentiate between islamists and people who happen to be Muslim.
He believes in “white genocide” and other common tropes of white nationalism, and generally embraces all of the associated conspiracy theories.
Weirdest of all, he’s a gay man who believes LGBTQ+ identities are inherently destabilizing to society somehow, and is expressly bigoted towards trans people.
All of this is to say, he’s legitimately kind of a crazy person, and you should take everything he says with a huge grain of salt, if you even want to bother with him at all.
I certainly wouldn’t.
That’s only if he makes a claim that needs backing up. If he made an argument that is free standing on his own then it doesn’t. If he said vaccines cause autism, then his credibility would come into play.
Now you are going to have to believe me when I say I have never heard of this guy. Because to me that sounds an interesting point. I have lived in high Muslim areas and I have visited London a lot. I really think this is where the left fall down a lot. People do not want huge amounts of immigration and they especially do not want it from people that cause the decay of the fabric of the city and country rather than integrating. Immigration is and always has been a huge issue to Britains. That is why I think Brexit went through. Also I think because Labour are very bad at talking about immigration but the conservatives are very good at it (though they don’t do anything about it) means that the conservatives win more.
I think if the left hand more of an anti-immigration policy they would win more.
Why, from what you have said, is restricting immigration such a terrible thing? London, other cities in the UK, (and a lesser extend the country) have seen huge declines in native population. Again that seems like a valid point. Why are the left not doing anything to address this?