Exactly… how does a socialist, communist or anarchist think revolution will happen?
This is what I mean by the Bellamyite delusion. He essentially believed that the transition from capitalism to socialism would not only be peaceful, but natural. The people can just sit on their asses and wait until the capitalists are done consuming themselves. That is the ghost that haunted American progressive movements for the last hundred years. They don’t believe in revolutions; their ideal form of government is a momentary retreat from capitalism (i.e. New Deal era) or Nordic welfare capitalism, both of which are utterly impossible to achieve in modern US. These people have good hearts, but it just seems impossible to wake them up from establishment slop.
Also, the Nordic model is disintegrating in real time. Much like the new deal, any concessions won from the capitalist class can be rolled back or negated without a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Rosa Talks about it in Reform or Revolution in a way I always quote at social democrats because it’s both funny and true:
Fourier’s scheme of changing, by means of a system of phalansteries, the water of all the seas into tasty lemonade was surely a fantastic idea. But Bernstein, proposing to change the sea of capitalist bitterness into a sea of socialist sweetness, by progressively pouring into it bottles of social reformist lemonade, presents an idea that is merely more insipid but no less fantastic.
It’s still true a century later and SocDems (I include DemSocs in this category too) are no more radical.
SocDems have abandoned any perspective of socialism, so I don’t even care much about them. DemSocs, on the other hand have their faces pushed so hard against the liberal institutions arses that they have immense difficulty to think about solutions outside of the liberal political game, in the end being no better than other socdems.
My guess is not enough people heard about this place. I saw it through r/marxistculture but if someone’s not subscribed to any other tankie adjacent subs I imagine they’re just left in the dark. Alternatively because the other subs aren’t banned presumably a lot of them just took refuge elsewhere on reddit (before those subs are eventually destroyed too)
western leftists will never have my respect.
This is what I mean by the Bellamyite delusion. He essentially believed that the transition from capitalism to socialism would not only be peaceful, but natural. The people can just sit on their asses and wait until the capitalists are done consuming themselves. That is the ghost that haunted American progressive movements for the last hundred years. They don’t believe in revolutions; their ideal form of government is a momentary retreat from capitalism (i.e. New Deal era) or Nordic welfare capitalism, both of which are utterly impossible to achieve in modern US. These people have good hearts, but it just seems impossible to wake them up from establishment slop.
You are spot on.
Also, the Nordic model is disintegrating in real time. Much like the new deal, any concessions won from the capitalist class can be rolled back or negated without a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Bozos are about to lose their universal healthcare and pension after their governments increase the NATO funding.
They don’t have good hearts, they’re white supremacists
Rosa Talks about it in Reform or Revolution in a way I always quote at social democrats because it’s both funny and true:
It’s still true a century later and SocDems (I include DemSocs in this category too) are no more radical.
SocDems have abandoned any perspective of socialism, so I don’t even care much about them. DemSocs, on the other hand have their faces pushed so hard against the liberal institutions arses that they have immense difficulty to think about solutions outside of the liberal political game, in the end being no better than other socdems.
I just assume that DemSocs are cowardly SocDems. It’s a lot quicker haha
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My guess is not enough people heard about this place. I saw it through r/marxistculture but if someone’s not subscribed to any other tankie adjacent subs I imagine they’re just left in the dark. Alternatively because the other subs aren’t banned presumably a lot of them just took refuge elsewhere on reddit (before those subs are eventually destroyed too)