u/ThePoopOutWest - originally from r/GenZhou
I know there are differences between Deng’s China and, say, Gorbachev’s USSR or post 1986 Vietnam, but I’m not sure what they are. I suspect it has to do with control by a principled party but I could be off. Can someone help?

Edit: to clarify, I’m not one of those who will say “China and America??? Basically the same!!!” or that Deng is revisionist. Was just more curious about what the reforms were in both examples and how they fall in a Marxist analysis

  • @archive_botOPB
    3•2 years ago

    u/sanriver12 - originally from r/GenZhou
    ‘markets’ in isolation, in general don’t exist. They only exist embodied by a particular mode of production.

    Markets are merely a method, a tool, which can be used differently by different MOP. that explains how markets under swcc pulled out 850 mil people out of extreme poverty while markets under Indian’s neoliberal order dont.

    the question of Market Reforms vs Revisionism is a question of under what MOP markets are functioning, what is their orientation/purpose.

    • @archive_botOPB
      3•2 years ago

      u/ThePoopOutWest - originally from r/GenZhou
      This is going off of a historical material analysis right? Kinda like how there were markets in Ancient Rome or markets during feudal times?

      • @archive_botOPB
        1•2 years ago

        u/sanriver12 - originally from r/GenZhou

        This is going off of a historical material analysis right?

        hmm not exactly. it’s just basic understanding of what capitalism is, what it does and what is a market. this isnt “common sense”, you have to read to get a grasp of it.

        here’s another odd example: non-capitalist markets under a capitalist mode of production.