The problem with this take, and all braindead takes like this, is it assumes Ukrainians get no vote in how they are governed. The EU, NATO, and basically all western institutions are voluntary. You can join if you meet these conditions. And guess what, people are clamouring to join. No-one held a gun to Finland or Sweden’s head to make them discard historical neutrality to apply to NATO. They simply saw how Russia was trying to use guns in Ukraine.
Similarly, Ukraine chose the west. Calling the MAIDAN uprising a western coup denies them a voice. Yanukovych was voted in under the promise that he would tighten bonds with the West. Then after he gets voted in, he tears up the pending agreement with the EU. So people protest against this. Yanukovych baited and switched everyone.
They really got no vote: no elections, no opposition political parties, no way to leave the country if you want, huge oligarchy, a lot of corruption, huge debt…
And guess what, people are clamouring to join
I’m clamouring to leave, and many people as well.
the Ukraine chose the west.
You talk like Ukraine was unified place, like western and southern Ukraine were the same. Did Crimea choose the West? Did Donbass?
Russia invaded Ukraine. Invaded. And occupied. With weapons. With murder and torture. And child abduction. And declarations that Ukraine as country, culture and people, should not exist.
That is unjustifiable.
I don’t think we should defend any imperialist oligarchy. I don’t support the US regime. I don’t support the Russian regime. I don’t support the Ukrainian regime.
The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict. –Martin Luther King, Jr.
Ni guerra entre pueblos ni paz entre clases
https://youtu.be/wjU-ve4Pn4k?t=2034
This part of the video is talking about what you are saying almost exactly. Your argument or the argument you support by posting that article has been made over and over since 2014. Its been ruminated since february 24th to try make the west lose interest and slow support for Ukraine. You also claim you do not support Russia OR Ukraine but really you just made it clear you support Russias invasion and Ukraine’s far-right and or NATO and or USA is to blame (which is wat the article says). Because if you where neutral you would see this is a message that support the Kremlin propaganda line.
Just what we all need, a year old article blaming Ukraine for not wanting to be conquered by Russia.
What is this shit?
What do you mean?
Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, and in return Ukraine gave up their nuclear deterrent.
The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,[3] prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, “except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.” As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
Are you going to argue that Russia is acting in self defense?
Edit
From the article
tensions more broadly, at the heart of the Maidan protests was the push by some Western governments, especially the United States, to isolate Russia by supporting the integration of peripheral parts of the former Soviet Union into European and Atlantic institutions
This implies Ukraine and others have no sovereignty and are just vassel states of the US. This is deliberate backwards thinking and patently false. Yes, the West will support and encourage democracies, so what? You’d rather we didn’t?
We, the West, have done enough shameful things in the middle east, supporting Ukraine is the polar opposite.
Are you going to argue that Russia is acting in self defense?
It seems like both regimes violated their treaties: Kiev Violates Minsk Agreement Causing Fighting To Resume In Ukraine. There was also an oral treaty that talked about eastern expansion of NATO (which some call “a terrorist organization”), but it wasn’t written, as far as I know. The USA also acted in “self-defense” against many countries, nearly 400 according to Wikipedia.
Also, why does Russia not have loads of troops near the border with Finland?
Surely, if NATO is such a threat. Why?
After looking around, I’m fairly certain the mod of this community is MIA
